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Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by woodandsteel »

tomerbd wrote: post #17

The people of Turkey have voted for him right? He improved their economic situation enormously, this is democracy, you get who you vote for.

Except lately the economy has been getting much worse.

This is a regular pattern with right-wing populist governments. When they get into power they institute a set of economic policies that lead to wide-spread prosperity in the short term, but in the long-term are a disaster.

As far as elections go, the government pretends to be in favor of free and fair elections, but its political philosophy is a set of arguments as to why they are a terrible idea and ought to be eliminated. Which is just what the Ergogan goverment has been attempting to do in a step-by-step fashion.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by woodandsteel »

aerodog wrote: post #21
toyg wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The regularity of Turkish elections is... disputed, to say the least. Before and after Erdogan.

Really? Who says this?

One way to make elections less free and fair is to cut off access to information from the opposition, and one way of doing this is to cut off access to Wikipedia.

Is it your opinion that the government was right to do this?

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by mengibar10 »

lostlogin wrote: post #31
mengibar10 wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and you can say that while Erdogan's party lost all local elections couple of months ago in all major cities like Ankara, Istanbul?

> It is trivial to find articles and reports on this. I’ll link to the Wiki, as that seems right. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Turkish_presidential_el...

What you're trying to claim is ludicrous. He won the presidential elections by a far margin of 22 percent points however in local elections his party lost by only about 0.16 percent points (48.77% vs 48.61%).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Turkish_local_elections

You are entitled to have your own opinion, not to the facts.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by burnJS »

brenden2 wrote: post #19

I wonder what will happen (politically) in countries that engage in mass Internet censorship when SpaceX's Starlink constellation goes GA. I've always believed (perhaps naively) that the Internet is a great equalizer for information. Free (as in freedom) and unfettered Internet access seems like one of the few things that could make it incredible difficult for bad and oppressive regimes to operate anywhere in the wor…

The internet is just a tool unfortunately. Use it as you wish.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by suifbwish »

brenden2 wrote: post #19

I wonder what will happen (politically) in countries that engage in mass Internet censorship when SpaceX's Starlink constellation goes GA. I've always believed (perhaps naively) that the Internet is a great equalizer for information. Free (as in freedom) and unfettered Internet access seems like one of the few things that could make it incredible difficult for bad and oppressive regimes to operate anywhere in the wor…

Make no mistake, new oppressive regimes will arise which make use of the internet as a tool of oppression. It is not without its costs and they are currently unmeasured as we have not seen the effect of children being exposed to this at such young ages as they currently are. What the internet is also doing is dissolving all culture that does not adhere to a central political set of goals. We also have no idea of the long term effects on our bodies so much concentrated RF radiation will have. 4G 5G WiFi ect. In medicine there are years of trials before a new substance or technology is deemed safe and that is only for use in hospital facilities. No one has been able to run long term tests to see what the effect of being constantly living in RF fields will be and children do not choose to be exposed to this RF radiation.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by Cyph0n »

lostlogin wrote: post #22
tomerbd wrote: post #17

The people of Turkey have voted for him right? He improved their economic situation enormously, this is democracy, you get who you vote for.

It’s not clear. The elections were widely reported to be fraudulent and voter intimidation and violence were widely reported. A meaningful portion of the world’s imprisoned reporters are in Turkey. It is trivial to find articles and reports on this.

Didn’t the opposition candidate concede that Erdogan won the election fair and square last time around? Why would the Turkish opposition lie if it’s not to their advantage?

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by lostlogin »

mengibar10 wrote: post #43
lostlogin wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is trivial to find articles and reports on this. I’ll link to the Wiki, as that seems right. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Turkish_presidential_el...

What you're trying to claim is ludicrous. He won the presidential elections by a far margin of 22 percent points however in local elections his party lost by only about 0.16 percent points (48.77% vs 48.61%). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Turkish_local_elections You are entitled to have your own opinion, not to the facts.

And the violence and voter intimidation? I don’t understand what you are saying I’m wrong about. I’m stating that fraud, violence and intimidation maintain Erdogan’s power.

Edit: My link was to the 2018 presidential election, yours is to the more recent 2019 elections.

Edit 2: I’m not sure what you find reassuring about the 2019 elections - is that the link you intended to post? The bit titled “Controversies and issues” is completely terrible.

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by baybal2 »

mminer237 wrote: post #40
navaati wrote: post #25

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As a billionaire philanthropist you will still have to align to your home country’s foreign policy, because your billions only have value so far as the State enforces your property rights. So very concretely, if China says "hey US of A, please don’t bring uncensored Internet to my citizens: it would be a shame if all this manufacturing and trade suddenly stopped", and the US gov agrees, then Elon Musk will not provid…

You think China could make the US government make a private citizen censor the Internet in a different country? 1. Stopping trade with America would completely destroy China. They could bluff, but they have very little actual leverage. Their economy is hugely dependent on the US. 2. The US government is not really a fan the Great Firewall or of the Chinese government. It's unlikely it'd just be cowed into submission,…

> 1. Stopping trade with America would completely destroy China. They could bluff, but they have very little actual leverage. Their economy is hugely dependent on the US.

No, US is really only 10-15% of China's export if you consider that a lot of USA trade on paper is not actually going to USA

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by newuser12341345 »

This is awesome. I think that edrogan really made a mistake, but I'm glad that they're going back and making things better.When I went to turkey, I was really sad that I couldn't wiki all the cool artifacts that I was seeing. So, I installed a vpn on kubernetes so that really likes VPN. Also, that enabled me to read about the stoic philosopher the roman guy emperorr. It was really cool!

Re: Access to Wikipedia restored in Turkey after more than two and a half years

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Post by mirekrusin »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #38
tomrod wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless he hoards wealth and assets in a third party area, like Mars, Antarctica, or his private home with a hired army

Billionaires still need the protection of a nation state. Their wealth would go away quickly if they had to finance an army. Maybe trillionaires can pull that off.

He'd have to have them on bitcoin payroll.
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