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Re: State of Independent SaaS [pdf]

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Some surprises for me - 1. Why is VC funding so down the rank compared to self funding, friends and family, angels and even debt? Is it probably because VC funding expects a >100x exit and most SaaS probably can't deliver that? Or are SaaS founders turning away from VC for ideological reasons (like want to enjoy the process instead of rushing to justify a valuation?) 2. 50%+ people pursued ideas which were not their…

I am actually not surprised. I shoot down a lot of ideas regularly (I am in a few startup groups).

> 50%+ people pursued ideas which were not their own itch to scratch.

I can think of few reasons -

1. They are jumping into unknown places because they already know about companies and software in the topics they are familiar with and think they can't compete on technical bases alone. The catch is they are woefully unaware of solutions in those unknown places. It's easy to get something rolling anyways.

2. They fight in terms of pricing model or other metrics than on product as a whole on easy to push services. As a solo founder and owner, you can afford to price it lower than a team of many working full time or adjust it to 2% unhappy users. You don't need millions in revenue.

> 30%+ didn't validate before building. 20%+ just asked their audience. Effectively, 50%+ just jumped into it without doing any significant and rigorous testing. Probably because the cost of entry and failure is too low?

This is not specific to SaaS , the effects are greater partially explained by your mentioned reason a lot. But software is more magic to people in terms of earning money than other hardened ventures so no surprise it's hard to validate and find market for. Interestingly, lot of techies ignore simple ideas or immediate problems because they think they could have written a small script to solve it instead of being dependent on an external company if they were an employee yet that didn't happen, so why not?. More people need sales training and peeking outside their echo chamber (only companies who need software are tech companies or devs and normal internet users.)

> 80% don't offer a forever free plan

Economic viability and people want to generally ditch products and switch around a lot.

> Most founders don't know their website visitor to trial conversion rates.

> Asking for a credit card before a free trial has almost no correlation with revenue growth.

Mentioned by others already. It's pretty hard to account for. If you post your thing in technical places only (many people who open SaaS are pretty biased in their social network), lot of people are eager to test the thing but they don't convert into long term paying customers. I have noticed many people being burnt this way.

Re: State of Independent SaaS [pdf]

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> Diversity continues to be an issue in SaaS. Only 11% of founding teams include a non-male and 21% include a non-white founder I find this line absolutely infuriating. And I'm disappointed it's right at the start. Must there always be an issue when the data doesn't suit a worldview? Why compromise a survey 's integrity with your own bias? It costs virtually $0 these days to start a SaaS company, regardless of gender…

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Re: State of Independent SaaS [pdf]

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> and the high chance a startup fails in its first one or two years. I never understood why people like to spread this "fact" around. Of course a company will fail in it's first years, if not, it's a company that is at least not failing. Also, it means nothing, not all companies are started equal and these statistics mix everything and everyone in the same basket, there is too much noise involved for this metric to m…

Because if you're on the VC funding train then you are almost guaranteed to fail in the first 2 years. Why ? Because your Seed Round is only going to get you 18 months runway before you will need to raise a Series A. But VCs don't tell founders enough that the chances of that are in the single digits. And so you get these founders with a company that is unprofitable and growing well but not growing well enough to get…

I could never take VC money. VCs and reasonable founders have very different definitions of success. A reasonable founder may say that 15 employees and revenue of 5M and profit of 1M is a huge success. A VC may say that 1M profit is bullshit. They could have made 1M profit investing in index funds.

Re: State of Independent SaaS [pdf]

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> Diversity continues to be an issue in SaaS. Only 11% of founding teams include a non-male and 21% include a non-white founder I find this line absolutely infuriating. And I'm disappointed it's right at the start. Must there always be an issue when the data doesn't suit a worldview? Why compromise a survey 's integrity with your own bias? It costs virtually $0 these days to start a SaaS company, regardless of gender…

> Must there always be an issue when the data doesn't suit a worldview? Why compromise a survey 's integrity with your own bias?

Hello. Might I remind you of the Global North's historic and continued plundering of the Global South (developing countries)?

Or should we forget about all of that?

> It costs virtually $0 these days to start a SaaS company

Yes, if you have a big cultural inheritance (which was itself plundered and stolen and appropriated from other countries). Oh yes, and you need a big trust fund and upper class parents, or at the least a pedagogical mentor who stimulates you, nourishes your curiosity.

By saying this you are showing me the holy ground you are standing on. There are many hands who touch your life every day: feeding you, making your clothes, your electronics, etc. Check out the True Cost (2015): https://youtu.be/OaGp5_Sfbss?t=32, or 'Steve Jobs: The Man In The Machine': https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhWKxtsYrJE

Two key areas one can focus on: 1) imperial intellectual property machine - the work of Ruth Okediji is revealing with this: http://www.commonlii.org/sg/journals/SGJlIntCompLaw/2003/14....

and 2) Corporatist/institutionalized plundering since the colonial era: https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/britain-stole-45-t...

Please would you consider these and try to understand their implications on today's reality?

Re: State of Independent SaaS [pdf]

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> Diversity continues to be an issue in SaaS. Only 11% of founding teams include a non-male and 21% include a non-white founder I find this line absolutely infuriating. And I'm disappointed it's right at the start. Must there always be an issue when the data doesn't suit a worldview? Why compromise a survey 's integrity with your own bias? It costs virtually $0 these days to start a SaaS company, regardless of gender…

Comments like this are the reason I hardly ever visit HN anymore

Re: State of Independent SaaS [pdf]

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> Diversity continues to be an issue in SaaS. Only 11% of founding teams include a non-male and 21% include a non-white founder I find this line absolutely infuriating. And I'm disappointed it's right at the start. Must there always be an issue when the data doesn't suit a worldview? Why compromise a survey 's integrity with your own bias? It costs virtually $0 these days to start a SaaS company, regardless of gender…

> It costs virtually $0 these days to start a SaaS company

The average cost of raising a kid in a middle class family is around 250K. What percentage of micro SaaS founders do you think had less than double or triple that (inflation adjusted) spent on them between when they were born and when they founded their companies?

If founding a SaaS company is free, it's only in the same sense that gas for a Tesla doesn't cost anything. Being one person who has the liberal arts / social science background to understand people, and can also code, and can also design, and can also do marketing, requires many hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of education -- even if it's just sitting around in the library for a few years instead of working.

There are definitely people who are wildly successful without that kind of background, but I don't think they're representative of the typical people building micro SaaS companies. Keep in mind you're really only able to learn to code if you're able to read English at a proficient level, which only ~13% of Americans are able to do.

Re: State of Independent SaaS [pdf]

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> Diversity continues to be an issue in SaaS. Only 11% of founding teams include a non-male and 21% include a non-white founder I find this line absolutely infuriating. And I'm disappointed it's right at the start. Must there always be an issue when the data doesn't suit a worldview? Why compromise a survey 's integrity with your own bias? It costs virtually $0 these days to start a SaaS company, regardless of gender…

I think it has more to do with socio-economic background than your race/gender/ethnicity etc by default. You used the example of Indian markets. If you look at who the founders are, most of them are middle-upper middle class where they don't have to worry about basic needs on a daily basis. Again, I am sure you can find the rags to riches story anecdotally but running a business myself (non white male founder), I can tell you that socio-economic status helps tremendously. Yes, you can still start a SAAS business regardless due to lower barrier to entry but you are only thinking about servers/software type of cost and not the opportunity cost that most lower middle class to poor people have to give up on.

It almost always comes down to your socio-economic status and I am in the "big risk taker" group. When I started my business, I could totally risk not working for a year or two without it causing significant damage to my family's socio-economic status/needs. Yes, my income went down significantly and it was still a risk but a heavily calculated one. Even if the business failed, I would be able to get back to the corporate life easily since I had put in 10+ years of experience by that time and had financial stability to do this.

Re: State of Independent SaaS [pdf]

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> Diversity continues to be an issue in SaaS. Only 11% of founding teams include a non-male and 21% include a non-white founder I find this line absolutely infuriating. And I'm disappointed it's right at the start. Must there always be an issue when the data doesn't suit a worldview? Why compromise a survey 's integrity with your own bias? It costs virtually $0 these days to start a SaaS company, regardless of gender…

It costs zero if you're a student living with parents who feed you and provide for you. If you have to pay the bills while working on the project then it costs the money you'll need to survive those 6+ months, or it costs you your free time and social life and sleep if you're moonlighting. Depending on your gender, ethnicity or religious creed (and immigration and parental status) it might be significantly harder for you to pull it.

Re: State of Independent SaaS [pdf]

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> Diversity continues to be an issue in SaaS. Only 11% of founding teams include a non-male and 21% include a non-white founder I find this line absolutely infuriating. And I'm disappointed it's right at the start. Must there always be an issue when the data doesn't suit a worldview? Why compromise a survey 's integrity with your own bias? It costs virtually $0 these days to start a SaaS company, regardless of gender…

> Must there always be an issue when the data doesn't suit a worldview? Why compromise a survey 's integrity with your own bias? Hello. Might I remind you of the Global North's historic and continued plundering of the Global South (developing countries)? Or should we forget about all of that? > It costs virtually $0 these days to start a SaaS company Yes, if you have a big cultural inheritance (which was itself plund…

So you give the example of Britain plundering India. Explain to me why Indians in America are the most successful ethnic group in the country then, at almost twice the median income of white people?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U...

By your logic of white "holy ground" whites should obviously be at the top of the list, no? Instead Indians and East Asians are.

Re: State of Independent SaaS [pdf]

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The ultimate issue with all these studies is the sample bias. How did they source the independent SaaS companies (there are over 40 thousand plus, follow power laws and most are economically duds). All samples are biased but there are methods of “correcting” the bias. Historical errors are legion: https://www.math.upenn.edu/~deturck/m170/wk4/lecture/case2.h... By the way the key takeaway from this post is that you ca…

> Levi’s was the main beneficiary of the gold rush. For all practical purposes San Francisco didn’t exist before the Gold Rush and it was one of the biggest cities in the US after. That’s quite a bit bigger than Levi’s. If you’re going to try and make a point by referencing history learn the history or leave it out.

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