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Re: Google backtracks on search results design

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As an image search user. The number of times I went to the site only to find it either doesn't have the picture or requires a login would just make me mad.

Looking at you Pinterest! Their search results are irritation incarnate!

Getty should sue Pinterest! Their whole business is based on sharing 3rd-party pictures. And forcing you to register in order to browse. I don't understand how they still can continue doing business...

Re: Google backtracks on search results design

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I have a website with over 1.000.000 pictures. I’m still a bit salty that my images get 1M monthly impressions in image search and just 15k visitors. If I made a website like Image Search, hotlinked all the images and burried a visit website button somewhere as a ‘curtesy’, I’d be sued out of existence within a couple of weeks.

Do you think you'd get more than 15k visitors if the image wasn't on google images as all?

No. But that’s a strawman argument. Their conduct is not suddenly OK if they’re tossing some visitors my way.

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As website owner I vote for this solution. Right now many people don’t even know you can visit the source website.

As an image search user. The number of times I went to the site only to find it either doesn't have the picture or requires a login would just make me mad.

That’s something Google should improve then. I think the argument can be made that Google caches that image illegally, if the owner decided to remove it from its site.

And Google could also decide to block websites, like Pinterest, that are gaming their search algorithms. That would be beneficial for everyone.

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Looking at you Pinterest! Their search results are irritation incarnate!

Getty should sue Pinterest! Their whole business is based on sharing 3rd-party pictures. And forcing you to register in order to browse. I don't understand how they still can continue doing business...

Why is Image Search OK, but Pinterest not?

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When will we realize that adwords and everything it inspired was a wrong turn for the internet? I’d much rather pay a monthly fee to get the services I want. I understand that Google and Facebook have gone too far down this path, and they will say such a service is not as profitable, but ultimately their business model seems unsustainable. People search for the truth, and while you can sell anybody anything, the trut…

> People search for the truth

People search for whatever confirms their worldview.[1]

> while you can sell anybody anything, the truth will prevail.

Those ideas are at odds. If you “can sell anybody anything”, you can also sell them a lie. That keeps happening, so I see no basis for the argument that “the truth will prevail”.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

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I've just checked the "there are no ads on DDG" and saw half of the content space taken by Wikipedia-sourced infobox, half by ad, searching for "insurance". Interestingly enough, Google shows me no ads for the same query (whole screen of local maps, then related queries, then organic results). "Car insurance" though ;) Disclaimer: I do work in Google, but nowhere near anything user visible (I'm developing SRE infrast…

With adblockers on, I get no ads on either engine. With adblockers off, I get 2 ads on DDG and 4 on Google. I suspect your adblocker is just more targeted towards Google.

That was Google Chrome on Android without any ad blocking.

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As an Adsense publisher, I noticed they enabled ‘Auto ads’ on every website, automatically. What this does is it plasters 15 ads in a long web page, it adds interstitials to mobile page and it just fucking ruins your websites UX. It’s enabled on millions of websites now. It’s like Google is desperate to make more money. I can disable it, for now. I won’t be surprised if at some point in the future, they make it the s…

Those interstitials are horrific. And they are on so many sites now. Google deserves as much condemnation for introducing those as it does for the recent redesign. I think most people don’t realize it’s Google’s fault and blame the sites. Thank you the comment. It explains so much of how the Internet has gotten markedly worse in the last couple months. These “auto” AdWords are totally overwhelming and awful.

> I think most people don’t realize it’s Google’s fault and blame the sites.

Absolutely. That's how I noticed what 'Auto Ads' really did. People thought my site was infected by malware and contacted me with screenshots.

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Is that your main concern about Startpage? As a Startpage person, maybe I can shed some light on this. Last year, Startpage announced an investment in Startpage by System1 through Privacy One Group, a wholly-owned subsidiary of System1. With this investment, the plan is to further expand privacy features & reach new users. The Startpage founders have control over the privacy components of Startpage. More info - https…

I wish that page was a little clearer as to how startpage still has control, since it turns out system1 now has a majority stake in startpage. However, in reading the letter from your CEO linked at the top, it appears this is by covenant. While in theory that could be renegotiated in the future, it is a relatively strong protection. It would be nice to see the exact language of said covenant and whether there are pro…

I hear you. Your feedback is much appreciated and I'll share it with the team.

Re: Google backtracks on search results design

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When will we realize that adwords and everything it inspired was a wrong turn for the internet? I’d much rather pay a monthly fee to get the services I want. I understand that Google and Facebook have gone too far down this path, and they will say such a service is not as profitable, but ultimately their business model seems unsustainable. People search for the truth, and while you can sell anybody anything, the trut…

As long as you realize the web without ads is a much smaller and less commercial one. That may be fine with you. But a lot of things hundreds of millions of people use every day would have to go away. Subscriptions can't replace ads, as individuals don't have nearly as much discretionary money to spend as companies have in their advertising budgets. We've already given them that money when we bought our groceries, an…

> We've already given them that money when we bought our groceries, and gas, and paid our bills for rent, internet, TV, phones, insurance, etc.

I expect the goal of people advocating for less advertising is to stop giving them that money on a going-forward basis.

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