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Don't underestimate how effectively a totalitarian and surveillance state like China can be in discouraging behaviors they don't want. People aren't willing to risk their lives just to eat exotic animals. And that could be what's at stake here; witness what happened to some of the people involved in the melamine baby milk formula scandal.
Seems like they are already risking their lives eating exotic animals.
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All things considered, it's highly likely that there are more unreported cases than unreported deaths, which means that the actual mortality rate is lower. What we need is stats on cured vs died for confirmed cases, but I haven't seen recent figures on that for a while, plus there's an inevitable delay on declaring somebody cured.
« it's highly likely that there are more unreported cases than unreported deaths, which means that the actual mortality rate is lower. » I don't think so, because deaths lag infections. When the outbreak is rapidly growing, if it takes about 5 days for the virus to kill, then even if you knew all the stats perfectly, you actually need to look at the ratio of "deaths as of day D" over "infections as of D-5" to calcula…
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The claim is the virus originated from a wet market where animals like bats sold for food, so it’s not inaccurate to suggest it was transmitted by bats meant for human consumption.
> The claim is the virus originated from a wet market where animals like bats sold for food, so it’s not inaccurate to suggest it was transmitted by bats meant for human consumption. It absolutely is. You don't have any evidence for this, just speculation. Is it plausible? Sure. Is it "most probably" (as the commenter above suggested, linking to a source)? No, there's no evidence cited that the disease was spread by…
[1] https://www.zerohedge.com/health/chinese-government-forces-t...
I now open packages outside of the house and spray the contents down with alkohol.
Yea keep those sneaky vectors in mind.
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Isn't the very fact people eat bats alarming? Who would eat bats voluntarily? They probably don't have much choice there.
In Asia people eat a lot of really weird stuff for us Westerners. I live in Thailand with my Thai girlfriend. I don't understand why my girlfriend likes to eat various kinds of insects and larva and why people in my village like to eat a pigs' brains. Yesterday my girlfriend showed me a YouTube movie of a Chinese girl eating a live octopus. I also know some people like to eat snakes around here. Different strokes for…
The only creatures I'd ever consider eating alive are insects. I've stopped eating squid altogether.
>I think this is just a massive overcorrection due to China's 2003 SARS outbreak but we'll start seeing more and more of these large scale quarantines as our civilization comes to terms with the realities of cheap air travel. I don't think is an "overcorrection". Lockdown is a top-level warning. Most Chinese people have no so much medical common sense, only a warning like this can stop them from trying to return home…
> Most Chinese people have no so much medical common sense You are displaying your ignorance here, with this statement. What is your quantification of "most"? Is it 75%? 90%? 95%? or 99%? Do you know "most" Chinese people? There are 1.4 billion people in China. Can you even fathom that number? Have you ever been to China? Do you even speak the language to make such a judgment? Let's be scientific here. The reality is…
China just announced they are banning wildlife trade nationwide.
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China bans wildlife trade nationwide in farmers markets, supermarkets, restaurants, and e-commerce platforms, and tightens supervisions, due to the ongoing #CoronaOutbreak
https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1221326706088144897?...
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Another reason we all should go vegan: prevent disease outbreaks. (besides: kindness to animals, lower climate impact, solve food scarcity, human health)
I agree. It’s possibly a combination of the infected urine, feces, and blood from infected animals. And it mutated into something that transmitted to humans. And it doesn’t even have to be a wild animal. The wild animal could’ve just been the carrier, and was immune to the actual virus. And it was your house pet that got sick from it, and had infected bodily fluids. And then when you clean up your pet, your infected…
its also the industrial scale and treatment of animals that anger vegans the most.
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> The claim is the virus originated from a wet market where animals like bats sold for food, so it’s not inaccurate to suggest it was transmitted by bats meant for human consumption. It absolutely is. You don't have any evidence for this, just speculation. Is it plausible? Sure. Is it "most probably" (as the commenter above suggested, linking to a source)? No, there's no evidence cited that the disease was spread by…
It's been reported that there are tv shows in China where bats are eaten [1] Not a great source but it links to official China Gov sources. [1] https://www.zerohedge.com/health/chinese-government-forces-t...
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It's been reported that there are tv shows in China where bats are eaten [1] Not a great source but it links to official China Gov sources. [1] https://www.zerohedge.com/health/chinese-government-forces-t...
Zero Hedge is not a reliable source, especially not for anything concerning foreigners or foreign countries.
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Maybe (hopefully?) China will shut down these markets after this outbreak. They've been known to take serious measures in the past when necessary. Surely the benefit of these markets cannot outweigh their costs (including on the local wildlife, not just infectious diseases).
Won’t that just drive it underground? Then nobody would even know where it started when the next outbreak happens.