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Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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Post by ASalazarMX »

tluyben2 wrote: post #15

Why do we need to do this kind of comparison? They are both quite nice. I think HN is better for what I look for (but r/programminglanguages and a few others are even better) as there are just a lot of people here who actually have experience with the topics discussed. PL experts, formal method experts, cancer experts, etc everyone is ready to write quite a nice explanation for nothing. The volume on Lobste.rs for so…

It's just the monthly "promote Lobste.rs in HackerNews because we have very few people" post.

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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Post by cole-h »

swagonomixxx wrote: post #75
davelacy wrote: post #41

Is it better to limit access to limit access to only those you personally know? Sounds like a great way to limit exposure to differing thoughts, experiences, and opinions. If you’re only hearing from those in your friend circle, it’s just another glorified chat room... nothing new here

But .. but .. its written in Rust! That has got to count for something right?

I don't see any Rust source code on its GitHub: https://github.com/lobsters/lobsters.

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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Post by wenc »

wink wrote: post #130
wenc wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The volume on Lobste.rs for some topics is just not large enough to get an insightful convo going. I get that sense too. I looked at the titles of the links on Lobste.rs and this is a purely subjective opinion, I feel the content appeals to a specific demographic. I struggled to find a link there that would interest me (not that my opinion matters terribly). 10-15 years ago, we experienced something similar with Sl…

Good point. I only ever heard positive things about kuro5hin, but I never warmed up to it, no matter how hard I tried. It's the same as some print newspapers. You know they are better than some others, but all of their content is just too... dry? for you. And no, I don't mean too high-level or non-boulevard. They just seem to have an air of something that doesn't suit you.

I once subscribed to a Canadian magazine called "The Walrus" -- it was the Canadian parallel to Harper's.

The articles were well-written, but the subject matters were... how to put this... oh so boring. They were all these long-form articles about first-world upper middle class white-bread issues that few people actually cared about except for the insular literary classes.

I killed my subscription and subscribed to the Atlantic instead.

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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Post by Carpetsmoker »

ddevault wrote: post #115
Carpetsmoker wrote: post #91

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I don't recall ever seeing "hateful" content go unmoderated. Do you have any examples? Also not sure what you mean with "protect opinions outside of the mainstream"? What kind of opinions do you mean? And how should they be protected?

The hateful comments are all passive aggression in my experience. I don't mean anything anti-semitic content or anything along those lines of hate - I just mean bad faith arguments, ad hominem attacks, etc. As for non-mainstream, basically anything that the moderators don't agree with. Could be about technology or politics. Anything which dissents from the prevailing opinion of a comment thread is also at risk for be…

So a few passive-aggressive comments are "hateful"? I find this a really strange way to put things, to put it mildly, especially considering that overall, Lobsters does better than most of the internet which is often filled with much more direct content.

I rarely see content moderated (the mod log is 100% public). Lobsters is much more narrowly focused than HN, so off-topic stories tend to get removed. That's ... a feature, not an attempt to "censor dissent". Honestly, if you want to make these kind of strong accusations you should back them up.

The same applies to the "censorship by merging" claim from the parent comment. Reasonable people can disagree on how to best merge stories etc, and that's all fine, but claiming "mod censorship" is quite a strong accusation regarding the motives of the mods.

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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Post by ta999999171 »

xenihn wrote: post #51
sondr3 wrote: post #12

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Man, I miss what.cd, not just for the content but for the obsessive users they had and the collections they made. Want all albums with a shoe as the cover? They have a collection for that. Want good music to start a journey into classical music in the 1800s? They have a collection for that. I mostly used it to discover great music, and the void that what.cd left has yet to be filled for me.

There's a site that is basically oink 3. Don't forget that what itself was a successor of oink. Not sure if it's against the rules to name it. It seems much harder to get an invite to it than it was for the previous 2 though.

Are you a member?

...hook me up? =]

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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Post by ta999999171 »

armitron wrote: post #140
xenihn wrote: post #51

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There's a site that is basically oink 3. Don't forget that what itself was a successor of oink. Not sure if it's against the rules to name it. It seems much harder to get an invite to it than it was for the previous 2 though.

There are at least 3 sites that are continuations of oink/what.cd. Two of them are good, one is improving..

Are you a member?

...hook me up? =]

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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Post by Carpetsmoker »

HeWhoLurksLate wrote: post #97
NoahTheDuke wrote: post #31

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Laughable to compare the obsessive curation of music on what.cd with any of those platforms, not to mention the fidelity and the vast range, far exceeding what’s available on the other platforms.

@rowathray It's not so much because of the pirating that this service was successful, it's because of the dedicated userbase it held. If something like what.cd integrated with something like Spotify- a legitimate way of accessing lots of music- say "here's a button to stream" somewhere on the site, it would probably be successful. Mind you, one of the other reasons that these sorts of things with torrent or whatever…

I would pay for what.cd. In fact, I did pay. I think I donated about €200 at some point.

The entire experience of what.cd was just amazing, and services like Spotify are lacking a lot. The situation is better than a few years ago, but still very far from perfect.

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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Post by Carpetsmoker »

xenihn wrote: post #51
sondr3 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Man, I miss what.cd, not just for the content but for the obsessive users they had and the collections they made. Want all albums with a shoe as the cover? They have a collection for that. Want good music to start a journey into classical music in the 1800s? They have a collection for that. I mostly used it to discover great music, and the void that what.cd left has yet to be filled for me.

There's a site that is basically oink 3. Don't forget that what itself was a successor of oink. Not sure if it's against the rules to name it. It seems much harder to get an invite to it than it was for the previous 2 though.

I tried to get an invite for one of them using the "IRC interview", and I was berated for not having "studied enough" because I didn't know the detail of some pedantic rule (I think it was about some detail on which format trumps which) and I explained something else in slightly different words.

The entire thing was super-pedantic and super-silly, and a massive turn-off for that community (I didn't try again). As far as I'm concerned there is no good alternative to what.cd.

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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Post by pankajdoharey »

Reedx wrote: post #146
solatic wrote: post #14

And HN is arguably better for not being invite-only. There are so many articles on HN where the top comment is by somebody with deep domain knowledge who provides some kind of original insight that fits into the low length and polish expectations of a comment, but would never have become a formal blog post. Invite-only communities intentionally give up on that kind of discourse for... what? Easier moderation?

That's a good point. Indeed sometimes the most insightful comments here come from one time use anonymous/throwaway accounts.

That just indicates people are so worried about loosing their reputation on their main account that they resort to throwaway account for projecting their views thats just sad.
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