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New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market

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There's very little evidence N95 masks work better than surgical masks, which are cheaper and easier to use.

Umm, properly used N95 masks have been shown to filter particles <10 nm...

And repeated studies have failed to show that N95 masks reduce transmission more than surgical masks do.

One of many studies: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4868605/

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Could be even simpler? Someone is going out and killing the bats right? They are physically handling dead bats in bulk, why can’t that be enough?

> Could be even simpler? Someone is going out and killing the bats right? They are physically handling dead bats in bulk, why can’t that be enough? Because the specific claim was "most probably bats being eaten[1]" (not found in citation). The commenter above took an article which claims that the virus is linked to those found in bats, to "most probably" being caused by bats being eaten. That is the speculation/claim…

Video of TV Host promoting eating bats. Forced to apologize. https://mobile.twitter.com/pdchinese/status/1221071113645625...

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From what I've read it came from bats. Most probably bats being eaten.[1] Bats have been the source of at least 4 pandemics. It's interesting to note that current coronavirus spreading in China and the SARS outbreak of 2003 have two things in common: Both are from the coronavirus family, and both were passed from animals to humans in a wet market.[2] I tried to put together a page for coronavirus in China here where…

The Vice article that is cited by sdiw doesn't mention that the virus came from "bats being eaten.[1]" The article does state "new report points to the original animal source: bats" but nothing about bats being eaten. Maybe I missed something, please let me know. :) The National Geographic article states the following: > "[T]he highest prevalence of coronaviruses tend to be extruded by animals through feces, or guano…

It looks like it's really too early to tell and so far it looks like initial reports of it having a nexus in the market were premature. It's still uncertain where the first patients got it from. Originally Wuhan gov was saying their first patients were on Dec 27, but that's being revised to Dec 1. So it seems given the disparity in dates the assertion of the epidemic having started in the market is unconfirmed at this time and Is more the result of speculation (or misinformation).

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This is a pot calling the kettle black. Someone claimed it was unclear the bat was for human consumption, then someone posted a link of someone Chinese eating a bat, and then you inferred some racist undertone from a comment that was nothing more than a link to the video.

> inferred some racist undertone Interesting — the revealing commentary continues. There was no mention of race, only that "need I say more?" about a practice that's owned by several cultures is an antagonistic insinuation. You've continually failed the most basic exercise of reading comprehension, so there's no value in me engaging further.

What culture eats bats?

It’s not a Chinese thing. So which ones do?

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> inferred some racist undertone Interesting — the revealing commentary continues. There was no mention of race, only that "need I say more?" about a practice that's owned by several cultures is an antagonistic insinuation. You've continually failed the most basic exercise of reading comprehension, so there's no value in me engaging further.

What culture eats bats? It’s not a Chinese thing. So which ones do?

> What culture eats bats?

> It’s not a Chinese thing. So which ones do?

Upvote for asking without animosity. I appreciate you.

Since you asked,

> Bats are a food source for humans in some areas. Bats are consumed in various amounts in Seychelles, Indonesia, Vietnam, Guam, and in some other Asian and Pacific Rim countries and cultures.[1][2][3] In Guam, Mariana fruit bats (Pteropus mariannus) are considered a delicacy,[4][5] and a flying fox bat species was made endangered due to being hunted there.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bat_as_food

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From what I've read it came from bats. Most probably bats being eaten.[1] Bats have been the source of at least 4 pandemics. It's interesting to note that current coronavirus spreading in China and the SARS outbreak of 2003 have two things in common: Both are from the coronavirus family, and both were passed from animals to humans in a wet market.[2] I tried to put together a page for coronavirus in China here where…

Isn't the very fact people eat bats alarming? Who would eat bats voluntarily? They probably don't have much choice there.

The same could be said for plenty of meats, e.g. lobster ("who would eat these bottom-feeding saltwater cockroaches voluntarily?"). Different cultures can simply have different norms, and even where it's not normal, poor people will eat whatever is available and rich people will eat whatever is a curiosity.

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Neil Ferguson, an epidemologist at Imperial College, suggested that the 2019 novel coronavirus’ Basic Reproduction Number (R0) [1] is about 2.5, which aligns with figures from other research groups. The 1918 pandemic-causing flu’s R0 was between 2 and 3 [1] while seasonal flu’s figure is only 1.3 [2].

This is not to say everyone should panic as the strict containment policy that China and the Chinese adopted should help reduce the R0 significantly. However, the asymptomatic period is long, thus it remains to be seen what the full impact of this virus will be.

Other countries may need a better policy to track high-risk individuals already in their territories.

“Neil_ferguson @neil_ferguson

R0 estimates for flu pandemics lie in the 1.5-2.5 range. Yes, Measles is much higher (10-15). An epidemic with an R0 of 2.5 could still infect between 60% and 90% of the population, depending on contact patterns and assuming no prior immunity. Not all might be symptomatic though.”

https://mobile.twitter.com/neil_ferguson/with_replies

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_reproduction_number

[2] https://www.newscientist.com/article/2231333-what-are-the-sy...

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What culture eats bats? It’s not a Chinese thing. So which ones do?

> What culture eats bats? > It’s not a Chinese thing. So which ones do? Upvote for asking without animosity. I appreciate you. Since you asked, > Bats are a food source for humans in some areas. Bats are consumed in various amounts in Seychelles, Indonesia, Vietnam, Guam, and in some other Asian and Pacific Rim countries and cultures.[1][2][3] In Guam, Mariana fruit bats (Pteropus mariannus) are considered a delicacy…

So what is your point?

That because a food source is considered by some people to be a delicacy means it’s racist to suggest that eating it is unwise given the public health risk?

Foie Gras is banned in CA because it’s produced inhumanly and consider cruel. Is that action a form of racism against French culture?

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I have no credibility to answer this question, and I don't even know what any of the words on that page mean, but is it possible that it was always the same virus and just documented under two different names? After all, pneumonia is a symptom of coronavirus, so wouldn't it make sense that people thought it was just the "Wuhan seafood market pneumonia virus" until later reports and information indicated it would actu…

Pneumonia is just an infection of the lungs, and that can be caused by many things, including aspiration. So by your logic, all things that cause headaches are actually the same virus because they all cause headaches.

> Pneumonia is just an infection of the lungs

Actually that’s not true either, you can catch pneumonia from breathing the wrong chemicals. Pneumonia is an inflammation of the lungs, which is frequently caused by infection.

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