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The claim is the virus originated from a wet market where animals like bats sold for food, so it’s not inaccurate to suggest it was transmitted by bats meant for human consumption.
> The claim is the virus originated from a wet market where animals like bats sold for food, so it’s not inaccurate to suggest it was transmitted by bats meant for human consumption. It absolutely is. You don't have any evidence for this, just speculation. Is it plausible? Sure. Is it "most probably" (as the commenter above suggested, linking to a source)? No, there's no evidence cited that the disease was spread by…
New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market
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Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market
#252From what I've read it came from bats. Most probably bats being eaten.[1] Bats have been the source of at least 4 pandemics. It's interesting to note that current coronavirus spreading in China and the SARS outbreak of 2003 have two things in common: Both are from the coronavirus family, and both were passed from animals to humans in a wet market.[2] I tried to put together a page for coronavirus in China here where…
Not snakes? The first reports I read were about snakes.
Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market
#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The claim is the virus originated from a wet market where animals like bats sold for food, so it’s not inaccurate to suggest it was transmitted by bats meant for human consumption. It absolutely is. You don't have any evidence for this, just speculation. Is it plausible? Sure. Is it "most probably" (as the commenter above suggested, linking to a source)? No, there's no evidence cited that the disease was spread by…
It came from a wet market for exotic meats. If it wasn’t a bat it was some other animal that was illegally trafficked and shouldn’t have been sold for consumption.
And this has what to do about making specific claims without evidence? With passing off sources as supporting your claims when they make no such claim?
Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market
#254Earlier quoted context omitted.
It came from a wet market for exotic meats. If it wasn’t a bat it was some other animal that was illegally trafficked and shouldn’t have been sold for consumption.
> It came from a wet market for exotic meats. If it wasn’t a bat it was some other animal that was illegally trafficked and shouldn’t have been sold for consumption. And this has what to do about making specific claims without evidence? With passing off sources as supporting your claims when they make no such claim?
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#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Eating bats is not an inherently Chinese thing to do. This is a case of some people in China who happen to eat bats. > It’s actually more offensive to suggest it is than to defend the practice as “cultural”. It's worse to read into a statement and reveal your own biases. I never said it was "inherently Chinese." Different cultures eat different foods. Shaming the choice to eat a food is a dark pattern. Reading into…
This is a pot calling the kettle black. Someone claimed it was unclear the bat was for human consumption, then someone posted a link of someone Chinese eating a bat, and then you inferred some racist undertone from a comment that was nothing more than a link to the video.
Interesting — the revealing commentary continues. There was no mention of race, only that "need I say more?" about a practice that's owned by several cultures is an antagonistic insinuation.
You've continually failed the most basic exercise of reading comprehension, so there's no value in me engaging further.
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Do you eat beef, or any mass-farmed meats? Crops like almonds or tomatoes? The collection eating of beef does a lot of ecological damage through the destruction of natural habitats for grazing space and cattle feed, as well as the emission of methane into the atmosphere. Do you need to be shamed? Perhaps you would like to shame me?
I don’t get what your point is. If you’re trying to defend Chinese eating habits the vast majority of Chinese people don’t partake in eating “exotic” meats like bats, live mice, and dogs. Most would be horrified as well.
I apologize if you found my post unclear. You seem to be reading more into my comments than is there.
The commenter above disputed that "Shaming the choice to eat a food is a dark pattern." Specifically, it was claimed
> It shouldn't be. Food is a very topical, superficial aspect of culture and the average person has more than enough choice in what they eat.
> If eating bats is causing serious pandemics, then I'm going to shame eating bats. If shark fin soup is damaging the ecology, then I'm going to shame shark fin soup. If high-sugar diets are resulting in massive health problems, I'm going to shame high-sugar diets.
They specifically stated that they would shame people for eating things like bats. They also stated that they would shame people for eating high sugar diets. They implied that anyone who eats a diet or which has a negative impact can be "shamed". Whether that be shark fin soup, or high-fructose corn syrup.
I asked whether they apply this standard ("Shaming the choice to eat a food is not a dark pattern") to things that they may do themselves. I'm curious what diet they eat that is free of any judgement.
> If you’re trying to defend Chinese eating habits the vast majority of Chinese people don’t partake in eating “exotic” meats like bats, live mice, and dogs. Most would be horrified as well.
I haven't said anything at all about these things. I think I've been very specific in the responses I've made, and I have not at any point disputed any of the speculation made about the origin of the virus, nor revealed any judgement I may have, positive or negative, on the matter.
Is it possible that the virus originated with the practice of eating bats or other exotic animals? Sure. But I'm not an epidemiologist. I don't have any inside information. I have nothing that would make my opinion on the origin of the disease any more than idle speculation. But, I unlike others, I haven't claimed to know the "probable" origin of the virus.
Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market
#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It came from a wet market for exotic meats. If it wasn’t a bat it was some other animal that was illegally trafficked and shouldn’t have been sold for consumption. And this has what to do about making specific claims without evidence? With passing off sources as supporting your claims when they make no such claim?
That is a fact that has been reported by dozens of news outlets. The market in question has been shut down.
> From what I've read it came from bats. Most probably bats being eaten.[1]
This claim is not found in
> 1. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xgqy3n/scientists-now-thi...
Simple as that.
Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market
#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Vice article that is cited by sdiw doesn't mention that the virus came from "bats being eaten.[1]" The article does state "new report points to the original animal source: bats" but nothing about bats being eaten. Maybe I missed something, please let me know. :) The National Geographic article states the following: > "[T]he highest prevalence of coronaviruses tend to be extruded by animals through feces, or guano…
Could be even simpler? Someone is going out and killing the bats right? They are physically handling dead bats in bulk, why can’t that be enough?
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Wuhan is a modern city. I've never been to Beijing but I have visited two of the other tier one cities and I can assure you wet markets still exist there.
In places like Singapore (Chinese dominant culture, but different government), wet markets exist, but they don't sell unregulated wild meat. I gather the one in Wuhan wasn't supposed to either, but either enforcement was lacking or they were paid to look the other way.
Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market
#260Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is a fact that has been reported by dozens of news outlets. The market in question has been shut down.
Once again, the claim was: > From what I've read it came from bats. Most probably bats being eaten.[1] This claim is not found in > 1. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xgqy3n/scientists-now-thi... Simple as that.