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Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market

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Post by toomuchtodo » Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:04 PM UTC

Zod666 wrote: post #119

leeshire wrote: post #118

I don't understand why people eat monkey or bats? if they have all these virus or diseases in them. It's 2020 we have more food in the world than we did years ago no need to eat a bat just grab an apple.

We're talking about a place where this is common practice. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zrv78nG9R04&feature=youtu.be

Supposedly the Chinese government is paying for the output from this sewage/gutter oil process (for combustion in power plants) in order to prevent it from ending up in the food supply chain as cooking oil. Attempts at being resourceful can have some unintended consequences/second order effects.

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/et981n/this_is_how_...

Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market

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Post by ajmurmann » Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:06 PM UTC

Zod666 wrote: post #122

CydeWeys wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe (hopefully?) China will shut down these markets after this outbreak. They've been known to take serious measures in the past when necessary. Surely the benefit of these markets cannot outweigh their costs (including on the local wildlife, not just infectious diseases).

It is because of the wealth disparity. A massive chunk of the population lives in absolute poverty. I don't see them fixing that anytime soon.

Maybe they could take some of the wealth some Chinese have accumulated and give it to the poor and needy, but that's probably just communist crazy talk from me.

Edit: typos

Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market

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Post by jamesblonde » Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:06 PM UTC

According to a former Harvard public health researcher, the Wuhan coronavirus has a R0 value of 3.8. That is significantly higher than SARS (estimated at between 2-4). This means is will spread rapidly unless transport in/out of Wuhan is completely stopped:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1220919589623803905.html

Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market

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Post by jamesblonde » Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:08 PM UTC

jamesblonde wrote: post #133

According to a former Harvard public health researcher, the Wuhan coronavirus has a R0 value of 3.8. That is significantly higher than SARS (estimated at between 2-4). This means is will spread rapidly unless transport in/out of Wuhan is completely stopped: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1220919589623803905.html

The source article is here:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.23.20018549v...

Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market

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Post by cies » Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:09 PM UTC

zbjornson wrote: post #2

I'm amazed that there's not a movement to stop eating and being around animals as much world-wide, given that so much disease (and environmental damage) comes from consumption of and proximity to animals: - MERS-CoV: bats via dromedary camels - nCoV-2019: bats or snakes? - Influenza: pigs, birds - E. coli O157:H7: cows and other farm animals. ... (Edit: I mean along the lines of how safer sex is encouraged to prevent…

Another reason we all should go vegan: prevent disease outbreaks.

(besides: kindness to animals, lower climate impact, solve food scarcity, human health)

Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market

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Post by SubiculumCode » Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:09 PM UTC

jamesblonde wrote: post #133

According to a former Harvard public health researcher, the Wuhan coronavirus has a R0 value of 3.8. That is significantly higher than SARS (estimated at between 2-4). This means is will spread rapidly unless transport in/out of Wuhan is completely stopped: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1220919589623803905.html

That 3.8 may have since been revised downward....looking for the link again.

Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market

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Post by jamesblonde » Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:15 PM UTC

SubiculumCode wrote: post #136

jamesblonde wrote: post #133

According to a former Harvard public health researcher, the Wuhan coronavirus has a R0 value of 3.8. That is significantly higher than SARS (estimated at between 2-4). This means is will spread rapidly unless transport in/out of Wuhan is completely stopped: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1220919589623803905.html

That 3.8 may have since been revised downward....looking for the link again.

Just looking again - Imperial College are saying 2.6. But Neil Ferguson, part of that study from ICL, says on Twitter "we need to plan for the possibility that containment of this epidemic is not possible".

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1221134886825873409/ph...

Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market

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Post by jamesblonde » Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:17 PM UTC

SubiculumCode wrote: post #136

jamesblonde wrote: post #133

According to a former Harvard public health researcher, the Wuhan coronavirus has a R0 value of 3.8. That is significantly higher than SARS (estimated at between 2-4). This means is will spread rapidly unless transport in/out of Wuhan is completely stopped: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1220919589623803905.html

That 3.8 may have since been revised downward....looking for the link again.

Different research groups are providing different estimates. But the estimates of estimates (model averaging) indicates that this epidemic has a good chance of sweeping the globe. Containment is needed to prevent it sweeping the globe, so we are at the mercy of the Chinese authorities...

Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market

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Post by runawaybottle » Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:21 PM UTC

I saw this map on Reddit today, and I’m probably going to add to ignorant hysteria:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.h...

I just can’t believe the real number of infected is as low as the reported confirmed number based on that map. It’s got to be all of over China if the confirmed cases are all over like that (not to mention it made to NA and Europe).

Re: New coronavirus can spread between humans, but started in a wildlife market

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Post by wcoenen » Sat, Jan 25, 2020, 9:21 PM UTC

Zod666 wrote: post #122

CydeWeys wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe (hopefully?) China will shut down these markets after this outbreak. They've been known to take serious measures in the past when necessary. Surely the benefit of these markets cannot outweigh their costs (including on the local wildlife, not just infectious diseases).

It is because of the wealth disparity. A massive chunk of the population lives in absolute poverty. I don't see them fixing that anytime soon.

> massive chunk of the population lives in absolute poverty

30 years ago yes, but not anymore.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.DDAY?locations=C...