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Re: Google backtracks on search results design

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Post by eitland »

jlokier wrote: post #190
makomk wrote: post #132

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There's no such Bluetooth device that I know of, but KDE Connect used to allow cross-device copy and paste between Android and desktop over WiFi until Google killed that feature off by disabling the clipboard access it needed.

That sounds so useful. I've wanted that so many times! In practice, I end up manually typing in long URLs on my laptop that people send me over SMS or whatever, and manually typing in long, high-entropy passwords on my phone when I would rather copy-paste them from my laptop's password database. (Not that I'm running KDE. But the feature sounds great.)

I know Safari allows you to send urls/tabs between devices and I'm fairly certain Firefox does to.

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Post by t223 »

tunap wrote: post #205
t223 wrote: post #22

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Post by codyb »

userbinator wrote: post #27
dragonwriter wrote: post #19

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> It just gave me a weird context menu with a copy icon. Share, copy, and edit icons. While I'm not a big fan of it, it probably fits the frequency and relative friction of interactions on mobile better than the previous UI.

There is no other reason, than their desire to "herd" uesrs, why they could not have the additional options to share/copy and have it behave like any other edit control, i.e. you can tap the other icons to copy or share, and more importantly still start editing it without going an extra step.

That sounds annoying. This is like Slack forcing their WYSIWYG editor on me. Thankfully Apple hasn’t done this yet and the URL bar still acts very much as it should.

But just ask me how I feel about navigating other parts of Apple’s UI! Dunno who they’re user testing with but these changes make me a bit ornery sometimes.

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Post by jjoonathan »

AJ007 wrote: post #178
userbinator wrote: post #4

Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22107823 Does this mean they'll also "backtrack" on their destruction of the URL? I was extremely disturbed and horrified when I realised that not only did they replace / with >, but also seemed to arbitrarily remove and rewrite pieces of URLs shown in the results (e.g. all articles from HM would show nothing more than "news.ycombinator.com > item", which was…

The URL seems way more important to me than the favicon / ad issue. Its an issue, but the users who can't see the difference didn't know they've been clicking on ads for the past 10 years. #1 What does Google want the web to look like? Look at Google News. #2 Google gets to hijack 20%~ of the screen space to get users to install their own apps, and go back to Google, not onward to the publisher's own website. #3 Remo…

AOL Keywords are back!

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Post by dragonwriter »

wffurr wrote: post #225
jonny383 wrote: post #204

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I'm saying it operates as mobile users have learnt to use over the past decade (and how the rest of the OS UI works).

Long press, especially on selected text, has always been a subpar user interaction. None of this UX design is perfect or totally settled, especially since it's only been 10 years since it's been mainstream.

> Long press, especially on selected text, has always been a subpar user interaction.

Exactly, and other than web pages (before this UX change), virtually every other well-defined piece of content that is likely to be shared had a prominent, distinct, easy-access share button on mobile (the separate copy to clipboard button added for URLs is not a common affordance; in most cases that functionality is one of many options accessed through the sharing function. OTOH, for URLs and certain other shared content, copying-and-paste is a particularly common sharing method, so promoting it to a first-class option further streamlines a common use case. ) This change actually better aligns the browser with every other way of interacting with shareable content on mobile rather than violating mobile UX expectations.

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Post by efreak »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #42
saghm wrote: post #28

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> yes, Virginia, I have and use a Bluetooth clipboard I'm assuming from context that your mean keyboard, but the idea sounds kind of cool so I have to ask: any chance this is a term for a a bluetooth device solely designed to facilitate copy-pasting between other devices?

Logitech (and probably others) make wireless keyboards that let you copy/paste between different devices edit: I should mention that I think this requires drivers on the computer end, so probably won't on iOS/Android

Such a keyboard wouldn't need drivers if it's programmed in to send multiple keypresses--ctrl+[axcv] works on standard Android text inputs and selections, as do the shift, arrows, home, end, pgup/dn etc.

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Post by userbinator »

clSTophEjUdRanu wrote: post #14
userbinator wrote: post #13

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In other words, an obfuscation of functionality that clearly shows their attempts at behavioural conditioning.

More like- how often do you edit a URL in the bar on mobile? It's a pain in the ass.

It's a pain in the ass.

...and they only made it more of one by making you press an extra button. It's like they took the "easy things should be easy, hard things should be possible" mantra and turned it into "easy things should be easy, hard things should be harder."

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

efreak wrote: post #276
Rebelgecko wrote: post #42

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Logitech (and probably others) make wireless keyboards that let you copy/paste between different devices edit: I should mention that I think this requires drivers on the computer end, so probably won't on iOS/Android

Such a keyboard wouldn't need drivers if it's programmed in to send multiple keypresses--ctrl+[axcv] works on standard Android text inputs and selections, as do the shift, arrows, home, end, pgup/dn etc.

It would be possible for a keyboard could paste without drivers, but how would it know what was copied?

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Post by [deleted] »

GuB-42 wrote: post #222
jonny383 wrote: post #7

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I opened Chrome on a friends phone (first time on Chrome mobile in years) and was shocked to see the url bar is no longer editable. It just gave me a weird context menu with a copy icon. I guess they really want to funnel everyone through search...

It is editable, you just need to use the pencil button. It is an unerstandable choice because it puts forward the most common uses of the address bar and still allows you to edit. I just hate it because it breaks well established UI conventions. The thing looks like a text field but doesn't act like a text field. For me it is more of a "stop messing with UI" situation than trying to funnel everything through search.…

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Post by monadic2 »

jophde wrote: post #103
monadic2 wrote: post #39

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I would definitely pay, but not through a middleman like google. We need to return to a decentralized, peer to peer internet where media companies are not beholden to advertisers (a very old problem). Technology presents the first real chance to implement this. A non-trivial part of the media’s (eg newspapers, news sites, cable news) is due to advertising, including “cancel culture” itself (the name dates back to pre…

I listen to a podcast called the No Agenda Show that has sustained itself for about 10 years on a value for value model. Listeners donate what they want and there are never any ads. I think the model is applicable elsewhere. Granted it won’t make someone rich but someone can make a living.

I am not sure that a pay what you want model would work, but I want options dammit, and I would hazard a guess that content creators do too—just look at the wonderful, nearly complete lack of ads on patreon content.
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