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Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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I’ve declined to invite a number of “growth marketers”...

Why not ask some questions in the sign up form and make the process more straightforward instead of having users ask for invite in random places?

I'm personally not happy with the randomness of the chat invite system. I have some ideas on how to streamline it but I haven't had time to present them, and I lack the Ruby chops to actually contribute to the site's code.

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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I think that a better solution, at HN scale, would be to limit the number of downvotes in a 24 hour period. Not clear what the ideal number is; maybe 5 at 500 karma, and 5 more per 500, possibly up to some limit (25?). Otherwise, 'you must provide a reason' is trivially gameable, it just means downvotes are two clicks instead of one. I suspect that the recent trend to low-quality downvotes is because 500 is a relativ…

> 5 at 500 karma Wow, someone would use 5 downvotes in 24 hours? I think I may have downvoted all of 5 to 15 times in all my time here. My "downvotes" are merely not upvoting, due to indifference or some flavor of distaste.

> My "downvotes" are merely not upvoting, due to indifference or some flavor of distaste.

I do the same. I don't know you but I already like you :D

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

#133

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Downvoting isn't the problem - it's spam flagging. There's no better tool for suppressing ideas and viewpoints you disagree with than flagging it. Only on HN can a story occupy #1 on the front page due to overwhelming upvotes, and 30 seconds later be sunk to the depths of page 2 or 3 by a handful of flaggers who disagree with the content that's presented.

Nah, you can do that on Reddit as well...

Reddit is a horrible place for discussion

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

#134
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If you want an invite, email me with your username or some other places where you've commented and if you don't seem like an asshole I'll hook you up.

Hey, I'm interested. I can't see your email and probably you can't see mine, so if you think I'm not an asshole, could you send it to adrian D0T arroyocalle AT gmail D0T com

Oh crap I didn't realize it wasn't public in my posts. Hold on! Also you don't seem to be an asshole! Invite sent!

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

#136
post #124

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I think that a better solution, at HN scale, would be to limit the number of downvotes in a 24 hour period. Not clear what the ideal number is; maybe 5 at 500 karma, and 5 more per 500, possibly up to some limit (25?). Otherwise, 'you must provide a reason' is trivially gameable, it just means downvotes are two clicks instead of one. I suspect that the recent trend to low-quality downvotes is because 500 is a relativ…

> 5 at 500 karma Wow, someone would use 5 downvotes in 24 hours? I think I may have downvoted all of 5 to 15 times in all my time here. My "downvotes" are merely not upvoting, due to indifference or some flavor of distaste.

profile checks out!

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

#137
post #23

The down-vote feature (for those who didn't read the article: you have to provide feedback to down-vote) is something I've spent years saying HN badly needs. These days I just don't bother posting most of the time because while I shouldn't be bothered by abuse of negative rep; you can't help be pissed off when you've spent a short while including detail only for someone who doesn't understand the subject or has a per…

Downvoting isn't the problem - it's spam flagging. There's no better tool for suppressing ideas and viewpoints you disagree with than flagging it. Only on HN can a story occupy #1 on the front page due to overwhelming upvotes, and 30 seconds later be sunk to the depths of page 2 or 3 by a handful of flaggers who disagree with the content that's presented.

A trust score could solve this problem.

Whenever someone flags a thread, the thread either gets globally flagged or not. If it automatically gets globally flagged, a mod may un-flag it. Or, it may not be automatically flagged, and a mod will flag it.

We can then find the probability that a user's flag will result in a "permanent, global flag" by looking at the user's history. We ought to use the lower bound of the Wilson score interval for this. This is the user's trust score, which needs to remain hidden from them.

We then set some threshold under which a user's flag will be shadow-ignored. This way, we only act on feedback that has a high probability of fitting the same pattern of mod behavior. Just make sure you have quality mods who consistently and correctly flag threads.

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

#138
post #23

The down-vote feature (for those who didn't read the article: you have to provide feedback to down-vote) is something I've spent years saying HN badly needs. These days I just don't bother posting most of the time because while I shouldn't be bothered by abuse of negative rep; you can't help be pissed off when you've spent a short while including detail only for someone who doesn't understand the subject or has a per…

Another reason for requiring feedback for downvoting is so others know why it was downvoted. There have been many times where I’ve seen a dead comment on a topic I’m not familiar. I know the general user disagrees with that statement but I have no idea what’s “wrong” with it. Conceivably it’s because it’s obviously wrong to anyone in that domain so nobody bothers commenting or it’s a contentious issue in that domain…

>Another reason for requiring feedback for downvoting is so others know why it was downvoted

That will just lead to bickering. And really if that's the rule then you should also be forced to make a meaningful comment when upvoting.

I find that there are times to downvote that don't or shouldn't require a comment. It will just spiral into a comment war tit for tat comments spiraling down into a hundred levels.

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

#139

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It's not that hard to get an invite. Ask in an HN thread and there's a good chance somebody will hook you up, assuming they either know you, OR can tell from your HN comment/submission history that you're not some weirdo who is going to spam lobste.rs with crap.

> Ask in an HN thread and there's a good chance somebody will hook you up That works for users who have seen this thread. How does a person who has not seen this thread knows that they have to ask in some random HN thread to get an invite? What about users who don't have an HN account?

If you read HN you can figure it out. If you see the fine print on lobste.rs you can see there is a possibility to ask in their chat.

On some level it's not open invite and you have to be ok with that.

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

#140
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post #12

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Man, I miss what.cd, not just for the content but for the obsessive users they had and the collections they made. Want all albums with a shoe as the cover? They have a collection for that. Want good music to start a journey into classical music in the 1800s? They have a collection for that. I mostly used it to discover great music, and the void that what.cd left has yet to be filled for me.

There's a site that is basically oink 3. Don't forget that what itself was a successor of oink. Not sure if it's against the rules to name it. It seems much harder to get an invite to it than it was for the previous 2 though.

There are at least 3 sites that are continuations of oink/what.cd. Two of them are good, one is improving..
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