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Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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The invite-only nature will only benefit the site while it's small. It will either stay small or suffer the same users as other sites. The down-vote with reason feature is nice.

If someone on the top of a user-invite tree gets "cancelled" will all the people he referred and their descendants be cancelled, too?

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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post #5

Ah, the what.cd strategy. Minus the exclusive content.

Man, I miss what.cd, not just for the content but for the obsessive users they had and the collections they made. Want all albums with a shoe as the cover? They have a collection for that. Want good music to start a journey into classical music in the 1800s? They have a collection for that. I mostly used it to discover great music, and the void that what.cd left has yet to be filled for me.

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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post #7
post #2

The invite-only nature will only benefit the site while it's small. It will either stay small or suffer the same users as other sites. The down-vote with reason feature is nice.

I'll be interested to see how they leverage the user tree. I'm no expert in social media bots, but it seems like the user invitation tree could be important to identifying not just networks of bots that are generating low-value content and trying to amplify certain viewpoints, but the people inviting those bots into the network in the first place.

I think the point here is that if someone starts spouting rubbish, the person who invited them loses "face" - it reflects badly on them. So invitations aren't hard to come by, provided you have a reasonable reputation for saying things that are sensible.

This is a throwback to an early age when you would never talk to someone in social circles without first being introduced. If someone turned out to be a "bad sort" then the mutual acquaintance who had introduced you had proven themselves not to be reliable, and so you don't trust any future introduction from them. The scene in "Pride and Prejudice" where Mr Collins goes up to talk to Mr Darcy without having been introduced is a classic example of breaking these social norms, and the loss of reputation that ensues.

There is a lot of current research on "reputation" and "trust", and the "invitation tree" is one very simple way to provide some of the benefits.

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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And HN is arguably better for not being invite-only. There are so many articles on HN where the top comment is by somebody with deep domain knowledge who provides some kind of original insight that fits into the low length and polish expectations of a comment, but would never have become a formal blog post. Invite-only communities intentionally give up on that kind of discourse for... what? Easier moderation?

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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Why do we need to do this kind of comparison? They are both quite nice. I think HN is better for what I look for (but r/programminglanguages and a few others are even better) as there are just a lot of people here who actually have experience with the topics discussed. PL experts, formal method experts, cancer experts, etc everyone is ready to write quite a nice explanation for nothing. The volume on Lobste.rs for some topics is just not large enough to get an insightful convo going.

Also I notice a lot of Lobste.rs is a mix between my fav subreddits & HN. So it's a circlejerk. But then again r/programmingcirclejerk is one of my favorite subreddits anyway.

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll be interested to see how they leverage the user tree. I'm no expert in social media bots, but it seems like the user invitation tree could be important to identifying not just networks of bots that are generating low-value content and trying to amplify certain viewpoints, but the people inviting those bots into the network in the first place.

It was already used when dealing with voting rings (resulting in termination of accounts)

Very cool! Did they do a write-up? I haven't been following lobste.rs closely and some quick google searching returned a lot of unrelated content.

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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post #2

The invite-only nature will only benefit the site while it's small. It will either stay small or suffer the same users as other sites. The down-vote with reason feature is nice.

If someone on the top of a user-invite tree gets "cancelled" will all the people he referred and their descendants be cancelled, too?

No, they do/will not.

Re: Why Lobste.rs Is Better Than Hacker News

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I disagree [that it is "better"]. I am a wayward hacker in a non-tech field. Don't know anyone from whom to obtain an invitation (to be clear, not soliciting for one -- don't have time for another site/newsfeed), probably even within 1-2 degrees of separation. I suppose they are perfectly happy remaining small and low-traffic, so it works for them.
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