2 things come to mind here:
A leopard cannot change its spots.
Confidence comes on foot but goes on horseback
I moved to FF + Duckduckgo engine a while ago, it will be extremely hard for them to win me back.
Google backtracks on search results design
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Re: Google backtracks on search results design
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Nothing like this is going to happen. Google Search is leaps and bounds ahead beyond anything else. And Google Assistant on top of this makes it even more effective. This was a mistake by Google and they heard the feedback and corrected it. MySpace analogy doesn't make sense since there is no Facebook, which was a competent social network, here. Search is a massive investment and you don't just have random companies…
I disagree about search result quality. I switched to DDG over a year ago and only need to use !g bangs when I search either for some specific local stuff or when I search for news that have happened in the last day or two. Actually, in some cases DDG gives more relevant search results than Google, especially for programming stuff.
This is what I keep hearing about DuckDuckGo and I'd really like this to be true for myself and my search engine usage.
Unfortunately, however, having used DuckDuckGo for the last few weeks my experience has been quite the opposite (described here in some more detail: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22106837 ), especially when it comes to programming-related queries.
Re: Google backtracks on search results design
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Google was sued by Getty and had to make the change. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/02/internet-rages-after...
I remember that, and I am a still a tiny bit salty about how it impacted me as a user. Ever since, it has been so unnecessarily tedious get the raw image link from Google. Half the time, I end up with a data url, sometimes I get taken to the backing website, who usually don't know anything about accessibility, sometimes I get the image. It's all just so much worse now. That said, it is absolutely theft for Google to…
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Re: Google backtracks on search results design
#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
I remember that, and I am a still a tiny bit salty about how it impacted me as a user. Ever since, it has been so unnecessarily tedious get the raw image link from Google. Half the time, I end up with a data url, sometimes I get taken to the backing website, who usually don't know anything about accessibility, sometimes I get the image. It's all just so much worse now. That said, it is absolutely theft for Google to…
$1 per 1000 clicks is ridiculous. Google make a lot of money, but that's because of their scale, not because they have somehow made search a miracle source of income. Would you also argue that, say, indexes of literature or libraries should pay the authors money per item viewed, because the data isn't "theirs"? Paying websites with good SEO would make filtering out abusers of search engines (no meaningful content, sc…
> Would you also argue that, say, indexes of literature or libraries should pay the authors money per item viewed, because the data isn't "theirs"?
At least someone has to pay for the book to be in a library.
Re: Google backtracks on search results design
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I switched out to DDG as well today. See how it goes. Any takers for trying out Bing?
IIRC, if you're using DDG, you're essentially using Bing (base) + other custom engine work layered on top of it.
You don't remember correctly, this is a persistent falsehood I see repeated in all these sort of threads.
https://help.duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/results/du...
Re: Google backtracks on search results design
#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google was sued by Getty and had to make the change. https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/02/internet-rages-after...
I remember that, and I am a still a tiny bit salty about how it impacted me as a user. Ever since, it has been so unnecessarily tedious get the raw image link from Google. Half the time, I end up with a data url, sometimes I get taken to the backing website, who usually don't know anything about accessibility, sometimes I get the image. It's all just so much worse now. That said, it is absolutely theft for Google to…
> That said, it is absolutely theft for Google to source data from your site, then use that to add value to their site, without giving you any click-through traffic.
Would you be OK, if Google didn't show images from your site on their site? If so, I believe a simple robots.txt statement should be sufficient.
> This would mean that you would get paid to have good SEO, or to be a central hub. The websites that comprise the entire web should negotiate better terms with central data brokers like Google.
I don't really get the logic by which someone letting people find you, should pay for that privilege.
(have not used Google search in a long time)
Re: Google backtracks on search results design
#167Can you also tell Google to fix the image search page? The new design is stupid. I prefer the previous design. The new design splits the page vertically, when you click on a picture. And its purpose, which is quite confusing, is to follow a second track of searches related to that picture. But that just makes the usage confusing. I want to click on the picture in order to see it in magnification mode, to have it fill…
for every such blunder that a major company does, i want to know what promotion/bonus someone "earned". For example this recent redesign of paypal: https://i.imgur.com/T7Rj3Tq.png
Re: Google backtracks on search results design
#168Can you also tell Google to fix the image search page? The new design is stupid. I prefer the previous design. The new design splits the page vertically, when you click on a picture. And its purpose, which is quite confusing, is to follow a second track of searches related to that picture. But that just makes the usage confusing. I want to click on the picture in order to see it in magnification mode, to have it fill…
yandex image search is way better anyway
Re: Google backtracks on search results design
#169This may be a major event in Google's history - the point where they overdid ads and started to be perceived as a inferior service. This is sometimes called "pulling a Myspace". Myspace was once the top social network. They looked unchallengeable. Then they got greedy. Myspace kept upping their ad content until usage dropped. Instead of backing off the ads, they upped the ad content even more to maintain revenue. Usa…
Nothing like this is going to happen. Google Search is leaps and bounds ahead beyond anything else. And Google Assistant on top of this makes it even more effective. This was a mistake by Google and they heard the feedback and corrected it. MySpace analogy doesn't make sense since there is no Facebook, which was a competent social network, here. Search is a massive investment and you don't just have random companies…
google search is only as useful as the content that it points to. They used to incentivize people to make good content, now they re just stealing it, so people naturally will take their content off google or hide it behind walls.
It's also not "leaps and bounds ahead beyond anything else" , but they have the network effect and technical lock in to be safe enough. Two things they did: first, they promoted the usage of the omnibox as search box, so now almost every browser is auto subscribed to google,and subscriptions are sticky. Second, they stopped sending the search referrer to the target sites and worked to remove referrers completely from the web. This precludes target sites from providing a competitive search experience. Google now stands uniquely and exclusively in the pathway from the users' search bar to the destination website, and extracting the rents.
Re: Google backtracks on search results design
#170Can you also tell Google to fix the image search page? The new design is stupid. I prefer the previous design. The new design splits the page vertically, when you click on a picture. And its purpose, which is quite confusing, is to follow a second track of searches related to that picture. But that just makes the usage confusing. I want to click on the picture in order to see it in magnification mode, to have it fill…
Small self-promotions: We are working on image search engine - https://khumbu.im, demo (MVP stage)https://app.khumbu.im/search/5dff72e66483e25b40e0222e . We use DL to understand content of images and provide better search results. Soon we are going to add face recognition, improve object detection and semantic analysis.