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Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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Post by shadowgovt »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #185
shadowgovt wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe if Trump were impeached for the same offense, with the same fact pattern, your assertion is not true. The offenses and fact patterns in question are quite different in these two cases.

So you think the majority-Republican Senate might actually convict?

Oh, absolutely not, because they don't think the way I do. The GOP has made it clear in this generation they care about power to rule and very little else; not their legacy, not the stability of the US government long-term, not quid pro quo or fair play. They seem to see their situation as one of existential threat, and they're operating as if the moment they lose control of Congress and the Presidency at the same time they will cease to exist as a political party.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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Post by TallGuyShort »

shadowgovt wrote: post #191
TallGuyShort wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you think the majority-Republican Senate might actually convict?

Oh, absolutely not, because they don't think the way I do. The GOP has made it clear in this generation they care about power to rule and very little else; not their legacy, not the stability of the US government long-term, not quid pro quo or fair play. They seem to see their situation as one of existential threat, and they're operating as if the moment they lose control of Congress and the Presidency at the same ti…

Almost as if... it's basically a party-line vote. Which is exactly what I've been saying since my first comment in this thread. Why are we even discussing this? You keep proving my point by bringing it back to party lines. Trump was impeached on a near-perfect party line vote. Clinton was impeached, 2.5% away from being a perfect party line vote. It's virtually always a party line vote when it's a question of which president should have which power and get away with what.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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Post by shadowgovt »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #192
shadowgovt wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh, absolutely not, because they don't think the way I do. The GOP has made it clear in this generation they care about power to rule and very little else; not their legacy, not the stability of the US government long-term, not quid pro quo or fair play. They seem to see their situation as one of existential threat, and they're operating as if the moment they lose control of Congress and the Presidency at the same ti…

Almost as if... it's basically a party-line vote. Which is exactly what I've been saying since my first comment in this thread. Why are we even discussing this? You keep proving my point by bringing it back to party lines. Trump was impeached on a near-perfect party line vote. Clinton was impeached, 2.5% away from being a perfect party line vote. It's virtually always a party line vote when it's a question of which p…

I don't think "virtually always parties" is a useful observation if it has little predictive power, and I don't think one can make predictions on a three-data-point event.

But on the other topic (apples to oranges comparison): it's possible for both votes to be party-line regardless of the fact pattern if one party is corrupt and just always votes to maximize party power independent of fact patterns, and the fact pattern would induce a more objective juror to vote one way in one case and the other way in the other case.

(The difference would be one would anticipate were a Democrat to do what Trump did, they'd be roundly impeached and convicted).

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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Post by TallGuyShort »

shadowgovt wrote: post #193
TallGuyShort wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost as if... it's basically a party-line vote. Which is exactly what I've been saying since my first comment in this thread. Why are we even discussing this? You keep proving my point by bringing it back to party lines. Trump was impeached on a near-perfect party line vote. Clinton was impeached, 2.5% away from being a perfect party line vote. It's virtually always a party line vote when it's a question of which p…

I don't think "virtually always parties" is a useful observation if it has little predictive power, and I don't think one can make predictions on a three-data-point event. But on the other topic (apples to oranges comparison): it's possible for both votes to be party-line regardless of the fact pattern if one party is corrupt and just always votes to maximize party power independent of fact patterns, and the fact pat…

"little predictive power". Okay. Within 2 votes, the senate's verdict will be in favor of Trump, 55-45.

"1 of 2 parties is just corrupt" lol ok

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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Post by shadowgovt »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #194
shadowgovt wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think "virtually always parties" is a useful observation if it has little predictive power, and I don't think one can make predictions on a three-data-point event. But on the other topic (apples to oranges comparison): it's possible for both votes to be party-line regardless of the fact pattern if one party is corrupt and just always votes to maximize party power independent of fact patterns, and the fact pat…

"little predictive power". Okay. Within 2 votes, the senate's verdict will be in favor of Trump, 55-45. "1 of 2 parties is just corrupt" lol ok

Do you disagree that the scenario I described would explain the voting pattern or that one of the two parties is corrupt?

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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Post by anthonypasq »

koheripbal wrote: post #156
anthonypasq wrote: post #64

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No, but the majority of US foreign policy is.

More so, or less so, than other belligerent states it combats?

most countries dont engage in foreign policy that involves invading and murdering millions of civilians.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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Post by TallGuyShort »

shadowgovt wrote: post #195
TallGuyShort wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"little predictive power". Okay. Within 2 votes, the senate's verdict will be in favor of Trump, 55-45. "1 of 2 parties is just corrupt" lol ok

Do you disagree that the scenario I described would explain the voting pattern or that one of the two parties is corrupt?

I disagree that any vote on the matter of how much power the executive should have, or if any specific executive should be punished for an abuse of that power, would fall along anything other than party lines, with those in the same party as the current executive voting in his or her favor.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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Post by ta999999171 »

mtberatwork wrote: post #128
sysadmindotfail wrote: post #70

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As a former longtime contractor I totally agree. One thing often overlooked is this 'Silver Tsunami' that will wreak havoc on the old guard (existing giant contracting companies). The existing workforce is aging, the new blood is uninterested in the old ways (cruft, old tech) and frankly there's tremendous opportunity for a 'Space-X' style small contractor to get a serious foothold. Some of these companies need to re…

> there's tremendous opportunity for a 'Space-X' style small contractor to get a serious foothold. Sure, but the procurement process is incredibly difficult to crack into for small companies. There is tremendous amounts of red tape designed to keep other players out. > Some of these companies need to replace 40% of their workforce in the next decade. Who would a new grad choose? Most will go to where the money is...u…

> There is tremendous amounts of red tape designed to keep other players out.

Call it what it is - bureaucracy, and corruption.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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Post by shadowgovt »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #197
shadowgovt wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you disagree that the scenario I described would explain the voting pattern or that one of the two parties is corrupt?

I disagree that any vote on the matter of how much power the executive should have, or if any specific executive should be punished for an abuse of that power, would fall along anything other than party lines, with those in the same party as the current executive voting in his or her favor.

Ah, okay. So at least one of the two parties is corrupt.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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Post by ta999999171 »

throwaway23954 wrote: post #163
hopia wrote: post #160

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Trump attacked Amazon because of business; he seems to think Amazon is profiting from the US taxpayers' money. Now Amazon has a strong financial incentive to go to court in this case as winning can lead to potentially securing a 10b$ contract. Whereas losing costs maybe some millions? Both Bezos and Trump are very pragmatic business men. I think this is all just about money.

If you really thing Trump dislikes Bezos because of "profiting from the US taxpayer" instead of "owning The Washington Post", I don't even know what to say.

Why can't it be both?
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