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China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by lykr0n »

jialutu wrote: post #57
BiasRegularizer wrote: post #39

I was born and raised in Wuhan. My father and a few friends are still in Wuhan, one of the friend is a nurse. Here's what they told me: * The hospitals in Wuhan are at absolute maximum capacity. they are lumping any fever cases (e.g. flu) patients with potential coronavirus patients in the same room. * People with mild symptoms are sent home due to capacity, they are instructed to be quarantined at home unless sympto…

If you are interested, there is a crowdfund in the UK trying to raise money to provide surgical masks to doctor and nurses in Wuhan. Here is the link: https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/standbywuhan

No. That's the government's job. China is not some impoverished country.

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by Markoff »

socceroos wrote: post #2

Setting aside quality assurance and risk assessment/mitigation, I'm seriously impressed with the speed in which they construct complex infrastructure. The are some good reasons we don't quite go at this pace, but there are lots of good lessons about expediency to be gleaned as well.

it's just one floor field hospital, there was even scheme posted in Chinese media, can't find it right now, went through too many stories

https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/d8/images/methode...

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by yostrovs »

blackrock wrote: post #10
yostrovs wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Viruses seem to start and spread faster using the complex infrastructure. This is yet another reason to prefer independent cars to herd-like public transport.

I had to laugh at this comment, since it’s quite true. So would you prefer to spend a week driving from Los Angeles to New York, instead of spending 5 hours flying, in a herd-like tin can, crammed full of people, and re-breathing the same recycled air?

Here on HN there's a regular argument for trains as an alternative to cars. Seeing how I end up using the train once in a while, I'm always bothered by the lack of cleanliness of public trains and how people come and go, touch things, leave crumbs, etc., and then I have to sit and touch those very places. Planes vs cars is not really a debate, as certainly for many destinations cars don't make sense.

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by GoodJokes »

koheripbal wrote: post #91
yorwba wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly the opposite of complex infrastructure. They're reducing a hospital down to the essentials: beds under a roof. If it weren't winter, they could've gotten away with just using tents, too.

I'm still not convinced they aren't just building a simple morgue... or perhaps even just a large covered grave. ...all we see so far is a TON of excavators digging a hole.

Ah yes, the classic Hackernews Chinese Evil Boogeyman take backed up by absolutely nothing.

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by ars »

solarhoma wrote: post #107
ars wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And? Vaccination rates among Orthodox Jews is the same as the general population, only the close contact part is different.

It is no where near the same. 60% according to this article which was the top post in DDG search. Compared to 92.5% to general population. Stop spreading lies. >In upstate New York, the outbreak has spread through insular communities in Rockland and Orange counties, where vaccination rates in some schools and day care centers is at 60%, according to New York state health commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker. The state’s ov…

Nice cherry picking, how's this for a quote then:

"However, the New York State Health Department reports the average vaccination rate for measles among the nearly 200 Jewish K-12 schools in Brooklyn — mainly in Borough Park and Williamsburg — is 96%"

To get 60% in a couple schools the rates at the rest of the schools must be pretty near 100%.

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

neuronic wrote: post #60
ifthenelseend wrote: post #26

In Germany it will take 15 years to build a hospital. True bureaucratic hell on planet.

In Germany people have rights and that complicates things, yes.

People's rights are not what's stopping BER from being finished. People's rights aren't what set the Elbphilharmonie so far behind schedule and over budget.

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by solarhoma »

ars wrote: post #115
solarhoma wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is no where near the same. 60% according to this article which was the top post in DDG search. Compared to 92.5% to general population. Stop spreading lies. >In upstate New York, the outbreak has spread through insular communities in Rockland and Orange counties, where vaccination rates in some schools and day care centers is at 60%, according to New York state health commissioner Dr. Howard Zucker. The state’s ov…

Nice cherry picking, how's this for a quote then: "However, the New York State Health Department reports the average vaccination rate for measles among the nearly 200 Jewish K-12 schools in Brooklyn — mainly in Borough Park and Williamsburg — is 96%" To get 60% in a couple schools the rates at the rest of the schools must be pretty near 100%.

[source needed]

And don’t give me the same source you used because no where within the website does it contain the paragraph you highlighted.

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by thaumasiotes »

lykr0n wrote: post #111
jialutu wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are interested, there is a crowdfund in the UK trying to raise money to provide surgical masks to doctor and nurses in Wuhan. Here is the link: https://www.justgiving.com/crowdfunding/standbywuhan

No. That's the government's job. China is not some impoverished country.

> China is not some impoverished country.

That's not obvious. Here are some countries with higher estimated GDP per capita than China:

Mexico (roughly equal)

Malaysia (10% more)

Romania (24% more)

Uruguay (69% more)

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by thaumasiotes »

ValentineC wrote: post #71
BiasRegularizer wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, scalpers swoop them up in all online stores. They are even sold out on Amazon US, Canada, UK and DE. I was told only the ones with a N95 rating can be effective against this virus. https://www.amazon.com/3M-Particulate-Respirator-8210-Pack/d...

> I was told only the ones with a N95 rating can be effective against this virus. N95 masks need to be fit properly [1], and are very uncomfortable for daily use. Surgical masks are a good compromise for going out in public, and mostly protect others from the mask-wearer. It's more important to practise good hygiene to avoid infection [2]. [1] https://www.osha.gov/video/respiratory_protection/fittesting... [2] https:…

> Surgical masks are a good compromise for going out in public, and mostly protect others from the mask-wearer.

Under this model, if everyone panics and wears masks to prevent themselves from getting sick, the spread of the disease will be crippled because everyone's wearing masks and people who are sick can't infect anyone else. It's a great idea.

This isn't really different from the herd immunity model of vaccination, where a lot of individuals getting vaccinated return a huge bonus to society in the form of herd immunity. If herd immunity were the only benefit, would we still want people to get vaccinated? Of course, that's why it's supposed to be mandatory.

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by JulianMorrison »

thedudeabides5 wrote: post #94
JulianMorrison wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can imagine it being much, much worse in America. You have an underclass who cannot afford to go to hospital or see a doctor, which extends well up into the low end of the working middle class. You have employers who penalize workers for self-quarantine. You have vicious mistreatment of undocumented people that makes them scared to draw official notice anywhere.

You also just have much less dense populations.

Not in cities. And a latency on the order of a week gives people plenty of time to travel.
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