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Re: Lockheed Martin to develop ground-launched hypersonic missile

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Post by wnkrshm » Wed, Jan 22, 2020, 3:52 PM UTC

rapsey wrote: post #33

wnkrshm wrote: post #28

There is an interesting discussion about the effects of hypersonic nuclear capable missiles and glide vehicles here [0]. In summary, this doesn't change much. But what the larger players are afraid of is proliferation of hypersonic missile technology [1]. [0] https://thebulletin.org/2020/01/hypersonic-missiles-new-arms... [1] https://www.rand.org/blog/2018/03/hypersonic-missiles-a-new-...

[0] Is I have to say simply wrong on every point. Russia has large missile defense deployments S400 and S500 and selling them to lots of countries. This is in no way a secret and a huge bone of contention between Turkey and the US for their purchase of S400. Hypersonic missiles make aircraft carriers sitting ducks without any defense. This is a pretty damn large shift in military power at the US expense.

[0] is exclusively concerned with the balance of nuclear deterrence - it's the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists after all. What they mean with missile defense is defense against strategic nuclear weapons.

Re: Lockheed Martin to develop ground-launched hypersonic missile

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Post by ardy42 » Fri, Jan 24, 2020, 2:05 PM UTC

lvs wrote: post #60

ardy42 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When does it end? I already answered that: >> This particular madness will continue until all major powers come to some measure of political unity. A helpful first step would be for all of them to have elected officials. Alternatively, the US and other democracies could be destroyed and their populations either exterminated or forcefully assimilated into some kind of authoritarian world superstate.

> Alternatively, the US and other democracies could be destroyed and their populations either exterminated or forcefully assimilated into some kind of authoritarian world superstate. A false choice you attempt to make true by ensuring the cycle of escalation never ends. No US war since 1945 has been undertaken for the purpose you ascribe.

> A false choice you attempt to make true by ensuring the cycle of escalation never ends. No US war since 1945 has been undertaken for the purpose you ascribe.

You don't understand deterrence.

Re: Lockheed Martin to develop ground-launched hypersonic missile

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Post by lvs » Sun, Jan 26, 2020, 1:07 AM UTC

ardy42 wrote: post #62

lvs wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Alternatively, the US and other democracies could be destroyed and their populations either exterminated or forcefully assimilated into some kind of authoritarian world superstate. A false choice you attempt to make true by ensuring the cycle of escalation never ends. No US war since 1945 has been undertaken for the purpose you ascribe.

> A false choice you attempt to make true by ensuring the cycle of escalation never ends. No US war since 1945 has been undertaken for the purpose you ascribe. You don't understand deterrence.

You know what I understand? How are you inside my head?

In fact, an understanding of deterrence is the basis for my critique. Deterrence is just branding for an endless cycle of escalation, investment, and global danger. It's almost as if, perhaps, you weren't alive during the Cold War and don't understand its absurdity.