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China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by superhuzza »

baybal2 wrote: post #16
socceroos wrote: post #2

Setting aside quality assurance and risk assessment/mitigation, I'm seriously impressed with the speed in which they construct complex infrastructure. The are some good reasons we don't quite go at this pace, but there are lots of good lessons about expediency to be gleaned as well.

> Setting aside quality assurance and risk assessment/mitigation, I'm seriously impressed with the speed in which they construct complex infrastructure. Not only infrastructure, it's just everything here glides like on butter in comparison to my experience in Canada and US, both in public and private spheres. My experience making business in Canada: drag and head current in everything. That's a part of the culture: t…

This is kind of rich on an article about coronavirus, a disease which is linked to poor regulation of Chinese meat markets...

Of course things go smoothly if you only adhere to the lowest standards, and 'anything goes' attitude.

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by ksec »

fma wrote: post #22
rntksi wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind that this period is also Chinese New Year in China, and workers are mostly expecting time off (sometimes, their only time off of the year)

This is in Wuhan. The city is locked down...they aren't going anywhere. Might as well make some money. By law anyone who works during holidays get paid 3x their wages for overtime.

>This is in Wuhan. The city is locked down...they aren't going anywhere.

Far from it. They were already fleeing before the lockdown.

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by FatalLogic »

peterkelly wrote: post #25

Can you imagine something like this happening in America?

>Can you imagine something like this happening in America?

A new, dangerous respiratory virus mutating in the overcrowded and unhygienic environment of a poorly-managed city market, and then spreading almost unchecked for six weeks, amidst continual denials of its serious nature?

No, probably not.

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by stephen_g »

blackrock wrote: post #10
yostrovs wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Viruses seem to start and spread faster using the complex infrastructure. This is yet another reason to prefer independent cars to herd-like public transport.

I had to laugh at this comment, since it’s quite true. So would you prefer to spend a week driving from Los Angeles to New York, instead of spending 5 hours flying, in a herd-like tin can, crammed full of people, and re-breathing the same recycled air?

Planes don’t recycle air that much. While there is some recirculation, outside is constantly pumped in (either bleed air from the engines, or from electric compressors on the 787) and there’s a valve that lets air out at the correct rate to maintain the desired cabin pressure.

I can’t remember the exact timing, but think I recall it being something like every 10 minutes or so that all the cabin air is replaced.

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by igravious »

ifthenelseend wrote: post #26

In Germany it will take 15 years to build a hospital. True bureaucratic hell on planet.

In fairness, just about everybody could emote “In $country it will take $year to build a hospital. Grumble grumble.”

What you should be asking yourself is how prepared is $country for an outbreak of a virulent pathogen? And; given its preparedness (1) how quickly could an area be cordoned off and quarantined, (2) how quickly could a makeshift medical structure to house an appreciable number of patients be slung together?

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by domjones »

loceng wrote: post #24
baybal2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Setting aside quality assurance and risk assessment/mitigation, I'm seriously impressed with the speed in which they construct complex infrastructure. Not only infrastructure, it's just everything here glides like on butter in comparison to my experience in Canada and US, both in public and private spheres. My experience making business in Canada: drag and head current in everything. That's a part of the culture: t…

Could the delay, in part, be there are more checks and balances that are thoroughly checked? Likewise the populations and level of development are at very different levels not only with population size to compare but also with the amount of workers in different positions there will be in China compared to in the US and Canada for development related work. I don't disagree that there's likely an overabundance of think…

Just want to add something to that 68% number: quite a few people get more schooling after trade school, there is something like "master of trade" or others go to university.

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by cddotdotslash »

FatalLogic wrote: post #33
peterkelly wrote: post #25

Can you imagine something like this happening in America?

>Can you imagine something like this happening in America? A new, dangerous respiratory virus mutating in the overcrowded and unhygienic environment of a poorly-managed city market, and then spreading almost unchecked for six weeks, amidst continual denials of its serious nature? No, probably not.

No, instead we just have periodic resurgence of diseases that have been cured for decades, like measles, that kill hundreds of children and vulnerable adults because a significant portion of our population doesn't "believe" in modern science and a significant portion of our government isn't willing to make them do otherwise.

But no, we don't have dirty food markets, so we have that going for us.

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by ChuckNorris89 »

loceng wrote: post #24
baybal2 wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Setting aside quality assurance and risk assessment/mitigation, I'm seriously impressed with the speed in which they construct complex infrastructure. Not only infrastructure, it's just everything here glides like on butter in comparison to my experience in Canada and US, both in public and private spheres. My experience making business in Canada: drag and head current in everything. That's a part of the culture: t…

Could the delay, in part, be there are more checks and balances that are thoroughly checked? Likewise the populations and level of development are at very different levels not only with population size to compare but also with the amount of workers in different positions there will be in China compared to in the US and Canada for development related work. I don't disagree that there's likely an overabundance of think…

>I don't disagree that there's likely an overabundance of thinkers over doers, something like 6-8% of people in the US go into trades school vs. 68% in Germany as an example.

That's because in countries like Germany or Denmark there's a shortage of skilled certified doers like plumbers and electricians so they're paid handsomely and since devs aren't paid as handsomely there as in SV, some prefer to go into trade as it can be more lucrative than tech in those markets.

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by BiasRegularizer »

I was born and raised in Wuhan. My father and a few friends are still in Wuhan, one of the friend is a nurse. Here's what they told me:

* The hospitals in Wuhan are at absolute maximum capacity. they are lumping any fever cases (e.g. flu) patients with potential coronavirus patients in the same room.

* People with mild symptoms are sent home due to capacity, they are instructed to be quarantined at home unless symptoms get worse

* Despite reports, surgical masks are completely sold out in China, my dad is asking me to send him 3M (the brand) masks from abroad.

* Even hospitals are low on surgical masks for staff. Each nurse is given one or two masks per day, but per regulation, they needed to replace the mask every 3 hours.

* A wider scale locked down went in to effect in Wuhan this morning, forbidding anybody from entering or leaving on any roads, rail, water or flight.

* Domestic news are filled with non-sense, top 3 news today are praising Xi's CNY speech, which has exactly zero word mentioning the pandemic or Wuhan.

[Edit] One more thing,

* This coronavirus is potentially deadlier than SARS. Most of the 25 deaths are from the original 47 cases that was reported a few weeks ago.

Re: China building 1k-bed hospital over the weekend to treat coronavirus

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Post by ifthenelseend »

rntksi wrote: post #13
jansan wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even with prefab components this is an amazing achievement. I suspect that here in Germany we would still be waiting for the hospital to treat the Marburg virus patients to be completed.

I read about the airport debacle in Germany, were you perhaps referring to that?

The Brandenburg Airport in Berlin is already took 15 years instead of 5 and it is still not ready...
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