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The Yang Gang and Its Bots
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Has he changed his message to win? Or is he consistent? Serious question, why is this a metric? Changing your mind should be a good thing. I find this odd coming from a tech and more science oriented website. I'm not saying that we should just encourage people to change on a whim but changing positions because 1) you're presented with new evidence and/or 2) the people you are representing have changed positions, th…
> Serious question, why is this a metric? Changing your mind should be a good thing. ... why is consistency such a highly regarded metric? It's not about consistency, it's about being right consistently. Unfortunately, most decisions whether made by an individual, CEO, or politician have to be made with imperfect information. The data just isn't there to do a full analysis. In data's absence, when you need to make a…
> it's about being right consistently
Does that even exist? We're not talking about something that can be scientifically modeled here. There's always going to be a "better" answer post hoc. Like you're suggesting. So it seems like a weird metric still. I think you're agreeing too. But it takes more critical thinking to judge someone on the decisions they made given the data available to them vs judging them based on decisions made from a post hoc analysis. The latter is always easier, you have (at least partially) the answer in front of you.
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#143Slightly related - Twitter still hasn't done anything about those bot accounts with fake crypto scams. Elon Musks tweets for example always have these fake crypto scam tweets at the very top often using account names of popular people. I think it's been going on for almost 2 years now if I remember right. This should be such a simply thing to take care of but for some reason, Twitter hasn't bothered.
I would love to know how many people actually fell for that. People who own bitcoin isn't your normal crowd but recent surges in the scams and hype, may have created a lot of people who are oblivious as to what bitcoin technically is but talk and broadcast it everywhere along with having invested a lot.
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#144I wonder how many people are more of the author's mistaken bots, like Mike mentioned in the article? If you were to join twitter for the purpose of campaigning, I imagine you'd have a lot of bot like behavior. Activities the author describes as bot-like to me seem like activities a noob on twitter would engage in. Twitter itself does a lot to self-create these node clusters, with a circle jerk of recommended follower…
Yes - from my experience managing bots, low IQ people and bots are pretty much indistinguishable, if looking purely at user behavior.
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#145How many startup people have actually read “Zero to One” by Peter Thiel? Yang has gone from 0 to 1 and is going to see exponential growth as Iowa gets closer. All these articles are people who have a distorted views of reality and chalk up his support as bots in order to fit their world view. The most likely reason from my observation is bias against Asian American men in leadership positions.
> Yang has gone from 0 to 1 Yang hasn't gone anywhere, he's been bouncing around in the same range for months with no systematic progress. > and is going to see exponential growth as Iowa gets closer. If he did something radical like doubling his support in Iowa in the, what, 10 days remaining, and the sources of support he gained were optimally distributed for him to move up positions, that would still only get him…
According to the latest national Emerson poll today, Yang is in #4 with 8% support.
The thing with exponential growth is that by the time you realize it, it is too late
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's unfortunate. Yang himself isn't very dogmatic / ideological. But his supporters are very passionate about his candidacy. So i can see your bad experiences happening. I support Yang; not sure if i would call myself Yang Gang... For me personally, Yang is the first political candidate who sees and reasons about the world in a similar way to myself. He's a systems thinker. Everything in society is connected and t…
I've seen so many ...."Bernie's people are horrible" posts on the Yang subreddit which has turned me off the yang gang. Yang is still my 2nd though, because unlike Yang Gang folks, I don't base my support on the followers of a candidate cause that's just lunacy. I've chimed in on a few to set the record A. we're not all that bad. B. You can't blame us for what gets banned by mods of a reddit when they use bots to do…
>I've seen so many ...."Bernie's people are horrible" posts on the Yang subreddit which has turned me off the yang gang
Well, Bernie's subreddit literally bans every single person who makes a post containing the word "Yang". They even remove him from the poll results. Certainly doesn't give any socialist dictatorship vibes (that, and his support of Venezuela).
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
why isn’t he doing well in the polls then?
Polls have outdated models that don’t accurately reflect the age of social media. Prior polling models don’t work with the changing environment. For example most the people they poll are in landlines and 65+ yrs old. Also polls are politicized now.
Let's not forget the media gives him dramatically less coverage, he receives less than proportional speaking time at debates, and it seems the amount of times the mess up facts about him is too high to be accidental, not to mention not even getting his picture correct and instead showing an image of some other asian.
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most recent poll has Yang at 8% nationally, beating Bloomberg, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar. And Yang has been left of several polling questions entirely (whereas Klobuchar and Buttgieg always included) and left out of several graphics on TV. Which is to say, he has been written off prematurely and in fact is gaining massively.
> Most recent poll has Yang at 8% nationally, beating Bloomberg, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar. Paying attention to individual polls produces more noise than useful information; you get more value (though less cherry-picking opportunities) from a poll aggregator like 538s. But if you want to play that game, the most recent national primary poll I can find that includes Yang has him at 3%, the best recent polling was at 5%…
If he is left out of numerous polls, then I don't see how an aggregate would be very accurate to portray his numbers.
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#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm curious why you think it's weird for a group of people to believe passionately about a candidate?
I like Yang, but I've never been one that idolizes another person. I would 100% vote for Yang above another candidate (I'm actually even surprised HN, which is pretty pro UBI, isn't Yang Gang), but I've never been passionate about another person. I don't understand people that will move to another state to campaign for a candidate. I've never been part of that kind of movement before, and in it I don't understand it.…
I think it’s quite personal. Yang is the first candidate in my lifetime I’ve felt excited about and the first time I’ve donated. (I’m 34)
For me it’s because I see massive potential in UBI to transform society.
So it’s easy to understand there are others who are uniquely attracted to his campaign and want to do whatever they can to help.
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#150What I don’t understand about Yang and his UBI push, is that he doesn’t mention anything about the housing crisis.
It’s not really the people that have homes that are at risk. It’s the people who are renters, and are under the whims of landlords raising the rents to match expensive mortgages.
There’s no mention from him, about socializing the cost of housing. This is the primary source of inequality.
I am not a fan of socializing anything, but it’s clear to see, that rampant capitalism has run amok, and distorted the housing cost for everyone.
Is his he expecting that people will take the $12,000/year UBI, and move out to podunk Iowa somewhere, and buy a small plot of land, and farm the earth and raise chickens to be self subsistent?
Like, what happens after you receive this monthly UBI check?
Clearly, this isn’t enough to pay the rent. Will these people work part time driving for Uber, or delivering for DoorDash?