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23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline

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Re: 23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline

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That’s what happens when bad press about your company comes out, and you’re too clueless to recognize it. Why do I really care about other people with similar genetics to me? This seems to be a greater risk for me, if I put myself into that database. And if someone else has a similar genetic as mine, and they commit a crime, then I’m automatically roped in as well. Do I really want the police knocking down my door, a…

America sounds absolutely terrifying.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Court..? AFAIK insurance companies in the US are free to model and quote you as they wish with the information they can legally get

Actually, they are expressly prohibited from using your genetic information to make decisions about your coverage. It's the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act (GINA) [1], where: > ... health insurers may not use genetic information to make eligibility, coverage, underwriting or premium-setting decisions. However, it doesn't apply to all insurance: > It does not cover long-term care insurance, life insurance, o…

Huh, had no idea, thanks for bringing that up. Obvious follow-up question: Say the insurance company is using a third-party that they buy some kind of individual "healthiness/sickness benchmark" from, that just so happens to be heavily derived from on this genetic information, which the health insurer never sees in raw - would that fall under this? Seems like an easy way to skirt this regulation, but i am obv NAL.

Re: 23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline

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I did this almost 8 years ago for the health insights and recommended it to a few dozen friends and family because the UI was nice, they added new reports, and they were the only low cost provider at the time that let me export my data. I loved the service and found an unknown sibling through the site. The FDA made them remove health insights so that made the service less useful. But two years ago they started sellin…

> The FDA made them remove health insights so that made the service less useful.

I believe there are third-party sites that will still give you this information if you upload your raw data. Though of course, this has the downside of giving yet another party access to your data.

Re: 23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline

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I did this almost 8 years ago for the health insights and recommended it to a few dozen friends and family because the UI was nice, they added new reports, and they were the only low cost provider at the time that let me export my data. I loved the service and found an unknown sibling through the site. The FDA made them remove health insights so that made the service less useful. But two years ago they started sellin…

> The FDA made them remove health insights so that made the service less useful.

This is like saying a medical product is less useful because the FDA made it remove horoscopes.

If the health insights aren't proven to be accurate, they aren't either safe or useful.

My ex is a quantitative geneticist and always said that we know almost nothing about genetics, and these companies are vastly inflating the certainty anyone has about their conclusions.

Re: 23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline

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Probably a good thing. Since they started cooperating with law enforcement, it's basically a giant exercise is entrapment with a little psudo science to help sell it...

Do you have any examples of this?

From what I've read, they've found criminals using relatives' DNA test data, but that wasn't the evidence used to convict.

Re: 23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline

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> Wojcicki has theories Think the obvious one is that the results are shared and whether someone is a criminal or not (or will be one in the future), people are not particularly comfortable with sharing to parties they didn't initially trust it to for the purposes they trusted it for. Anecdotally, I bought a 23andme kit (just the genealogy one) but never submitted it because the labeling was to send it to the lab in…

Exactly. Many people naively thought that it was going to be positive. Build your family tree, get better ancestry information. Even finding family relations can be fraught with issues like illegitimate children, sperm donors who thought they’d remain anonymous, secret affairs now outed and then there is the other health data aspect...

Inheritance: A Memoir of Genealogy, Paternity, and Love by Dani Shapiro is a recent book that explores these themes.

https://danishapiro.com/books/inheritance/

Re: 23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

After account closure: "23andMe and our third party genotyping laboratory will retain your genetic information, date of birth, and sex as required for compliance with applicable legal obligations, including the U.S. Federal Clinical Laboratory Improvement Amendments of 1988 (CLIA), California Business and Professional Code Section 1265, and College of American Pathologists (CAP) accreditation requirements. 23andMe wi…

>> date of birth, and sex That's enough to identify people in some zipcodes.

Most people in most zip codes. 70 years * 365 days * 2 sexes = 51,100. The average zip code has about 10,000. Never thought of this before.
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