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23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline

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Re: 23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline

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This was way more appealing to me when they were able to provide (probably spurious) medical predictions, and before it was clear that the ancient ancestry assessments were so much guesswork.

The cost of sequencing keeps rapidly halving, but the price of kits isn't really dropping, so over time it seems like less and less of a good value.

They're clearly spending on social features and development, which is understandable, but it'd be interesting to see an alternate universe firm just dedicated to making sequencing as accessible a commodity as possible--send in butterflies or dog hair or sushi and we'll send you a genome.

Might create interesting opportunities for amateur biology, similar to how popular amateur astronomy has become with home telescopes and ability to search Hubble images and such.

Re: 23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline

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That’s what happens when bad press about your company comes out, and you’re too clueless to recognize it.

Why do I really care about other people with similar genetics to me?

This seems to be a greater risk for me, if I put myself into that database.

And if someone else has a similar genetic as mine, and they commit a crime, then I’m automatically roped in as well. Do I really want the police knocking down my door, and slamming me to the ground, while they barge into my house with assault rifles and ballistic protection gear, and pointing their guns at every member of my family. This is a case of mistaken identity. But their m.o. is to shoot first, and ask questions later. No thanks!

This is the Law of Unintended Consequences at play here.

And for all the talk about cross linking your genome with others to find markers to get clues on how to cure diseases, well, I never really bought into that.

It may help, but I really don’t care. The disease problem will need to be solved in another way, that doesn’t involve the compromise of my security, however remote it may be.

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The real risk in my mind is that this opens market space for Beijing-backed companies like Novogene in Sacramento. They will occupy that space and every adjacent space as fast as they can. They'll sequence your tumor genetics, or your germline to get a better read on you're kid's inherited disease. And you'll never know it because your doctor contracted with them, they signed a BAA (so it's all legal, right). And the…

This is true, however, please note that nobody except maybe your family will have your best interest in mind.

Some motives are more aligned than others.

https://www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/Research/US-China%2...

Re: 23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline

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That’s what happens when bad press about your company comes out, and you’re too clueless to recognize it. Why do I really care about other people with similar genetics to me? This seems to be a greater risk for me, if I put myself into that database. And if someone else has a similar genetic as mine, and they commit a crime, then I’m automatically roped in as well. Do I really want the police knocking down my door, a…

I think most ordinary consumers like your mom and dad don't care about privacy.

I know at least two DNA companies that send your data to China for processing and yet nobody cares.

So it may not be the reason of 23andme's problems - it might be just that the market is saturated. People who wanted to take the test, like me, already did it.

Re: 23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline

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That page doesn't say they store it? In any case, the government having this data and a private, for profit company having this data feels like two quite different things.

Certainly, they're different. I'm pretty confident about a company's profit motive; not so much with the government which changes every few years. I don't like a company having it (and will never take such a test), but like the government even less. The government's the one that can bust down my door at 3 AM, haul me away, and shoot me if I resist.

A company's direction is going to be aligned with the owners/shareholders goal, which isn't always but in most cases is profit. At least we know that.

Government? Who knows - whatever behavior emerges when you get a bunch of self promotors, egotists and idealists to compete amongst each other for whatever it is that each is individually competing for.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the government encounters one of their kid's DNA, that's enough to identify them as a son/daughter of the person with that DNA profile. I don't believe that's ever been tested in court (so there isn't precedence) and the ways in which DNA are complex enough - and the mutation rate is high enough - that it might be like fingerprints... if you're the only person with DNA that might be like the kind found and you'v…

Uh, it absolutely has - and with more distant connections than direct parentage. See the recent Golden State Killer case for instance, as well as a myriad of others.

That shows it's enough to establish probable cause, but once they'd identified him, they got a direct DNA match, which means he won't be a test of the ancestral scenario outlined in the GP.

Re: 23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline

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I mean, there's the fact that companies like this also provide your data to DNA databases that governments and other companies have access too. That seems like a good reason to shy away from getting their tests done.

I sent a saliva swab and got my dna analyzed by 23andme. I got back information I already knew such as where I came from etc. Serious question. IF the government catches a relative of mine who is a rapist or a murderer from my dna, I don’t see anything wrong with it. Could someone please explain what could go wrong. Keeping our community from heinous criminals is a good thing isn’t?

ah, here we go. The notoriously flawed "I'm doing nothing wrong and I have nothing to hide" argument.

There are so many reasons why this is wrong and it is a pretty well known philosophical stance. A couple reasons:

- You assume that the government is acting for your best interest. What would happen if we elect a crazy president that changes the direction of the country? (Think WW2 Germany with their eugenics). - You are not doing anything wrong but don't you have information that you want to keep private? Getting an STD for example is not illegal but I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like that medical information available after a search with your name on Google.

Re: 23andMe lays off 100 people as DNA test sales decline

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I said this here before but 23AndMe is linked to Google in multiple ways. (Search the CEO name)

You should be out of your mind to PAY to give them your most precious private data!

I'm very happy to see their sale decline even though I'm quite sure that the average consumer still doesn't care about privacy.

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