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ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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Re: ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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Post by saaaaaam »

monadgonad wrote: post #115
saaaaaam wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can yes - in fact, I was listening to “D for Diagnosis” on BBC Radio 4 last night. The show title was “Ever Changing Labels” and a psychiatrist made the point (3’20” into the programme) that what we call “depression” in DSM-V has 9 symptoms and if you have 5 out of those 9 symptoms you are diagnosed as having “depression”. But in reality 5 out of 9 gives a huge number - 15,000+ - variations. So there is no one fo…

> But I’m reality 5 out of 9 gives a huge number - 15,000+ - variations. So there is no one form of “depression” And? Do you know how many different kinds of cancer there are? We're talking about psychogical disorders that affect people's minds and personalities, of course their presentations are going to be very different. That doesn't make them not real or mean it's not useful to group them together. Diagnosis guid…

I always think that when people start a comment so aggressively it’s not really worth responding. However, that aside: I’m not “fallaciously” anything!

I responded to a question that was posed “could you explain away depression with a similar argument” with a relevant piece of information.

You seem to think I’m arguing depression doesn’t exist. I am not. Forgive me if that was how it appeared, but please, for everyone’s sake, try to keep things civil.

Re: ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

ctruzzi wrote: post #70
rustybelt wrote: post #51

Thousands of words and no mention of diet. I was diagnosed ADHD in 5th grade, tried just about every medication out there, and never landed on a workable long-term solution until I modified my diet. Medication always had mixed results. Many allowed me to focus and better control impulses, but the emotional crash at the end of the day was too much. Others caused insomnia or palpitations. Cutting sugar and limiting car…

I was diagnosed with ADHD around the 3rd grade (2 separate psychiatrists diagnosed me) and have never heard about diets as working above all others. Are there any studies or information about this route or is it perhaps changing your eating behavior allowed you to do those same things with other parts of your life?

The book Healing ADHD by Dr Amen reccomends diet, and exercise based treatment, as well as stimulants and coaching. It's been a long time since I've read it, but at the time I used some of the techniques, and they worked really well. I should probably read it again.

Re: ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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Post by [deleted] »

sibeliuss wrote: post #75
penagwin wrote: post #65

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> Ever spent a day off staring at a wall dreading the possibility that you might waste a day until you realize the sun has gone down? Yup, so much fun. This is literally every Saturday for me. I'm thinking about keeping my Ritalin by my bed. I don't understand why it's so difficult and it makes me really frustrated - I just can't get out of bed. I try to wake up and my mind goes "naw". I sit up to get out of bed, sit…

Being diagnosed with all of those things -- doesn't it seem like a pharmaceutical spiral brought on by a sick process? Ever since my sister was misdiagnosed with a handful of labels and put on a handful of drugs which subsequently ruined her life for a very long time I've been interested in looking at alternatives to the pharma status quo. I read Lost Connections by Johann Hari recently and it was remarkable. The cha…

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Re: ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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Post by jakoblorz »

monadgonad wrote: post #115
saaaaaam wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can yes - in fact, I was listening to “D for Diagnosis” on BBC Radio 4 last night. The show title was “Ever Changing Labels” and a psychiatrist made the point (3’20” into the programme) that what we call “depression” in DSM-V has 9 symptoms and if you have 5 out of those 9 symptoms you are diagnosed as having “depression”. But in reality 5 out of 9 gives a huge number - 15,000+ - variations. So there is no one fo…

> But I’m reality 5 out of 9 gives a huge number - 15,000+ - variations. So there is no one form of “depression” And? Do you know how many different kinds of cancer there are? We're talking about psychogical disorders that affect people's minds and personalities, of course their presentations are going to be very different. That doesn't make them not real or mean it's not useful to group them together. Diagnosis guid…

He wrote an example argument to how one could argue depression away in the same way. He does not seem to encourage that kind of arguing, just showing how stupid the "5 out of x symptoms does not equal an illness" argument is.

Re: ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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Post by Rooster61 »

saaaaaam wrote: post #131
monadgonad wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I’m reality 5 out of 9 gives a huge number - 15,000+ - variations. So there is no one form of “depression” And? Do you know how many different kinds of cancer there are? We're talking about psychogical disorders that affect people's minds and personalities, of course their presentations are going to be very different. That doesn't make them not real or mean it's not useful to group them together. Diagnosis guid…

I always think that when people start a comment so aggressively it’s not really worth responding. However, that aside: I’m not “fallaciously” anything! I responded to a question that was posed “could you explain away depression with a similar argument” with a relevant piece of information. You seem to think I’m arguing depression doesn’t exist. I am not. Forgive me if that was how it appeared, but please, for everyon…

> Now could you explain away major depression using the same logic?

> You can yes

> You seem to think I’m arguing depression doesn’t exist. I am not.

That is precisely what you were trying to do. And the response to your comment was in fact civil. Claiming that your argument is fallacious attacks your argument, not you, and is perfectly appropriate for civil discourse.

Re: ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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Post by 19f191ty »

"If I don't want to wash a fence, I can't think about how to wash the fence. I go into complete lockup. I ask the question, "how do I wash the fence?" and the answer will not come to me.

I can't get to "first I need a bucket and water." "

This is so true! I'm ADHD, diagnosed and tried medications for a while, they helped, but had other issues so I stopped. What really helped was the realization that there are tasks where I can't even begin. I then gradually trained myself to think about the first thing and just focus on that. Don't feel like getting up from bed? Thing about moving my hand, then make it move the covers off, then move my legs and so on. Soon the momentum develops and I find it easier to do whatever I didn't feel like doing. Now my default is to just think about the very first thing and take it from there. It took me a while but has worked wonders for me.

Re: ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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Post by lawrenceyan »

Meditation helped me to deal with ADHD immensely. My ability to focus and concentrate is now on par if not better than most of my peers, though it requires me to spend about an hour every day in the morning to meditate.

I find that it’s very much worth the time investment, and would recommend anyone struggling with focus/anxiety to try it themselves.

Re: ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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Post by ZitchDog »

lawrenceyan wrote: post #137

Meditation helped me to deal with ADHD immensely. My ability to focus and concentrate is now on par if not better than most of my peers, though it requires me to spend about an hour every day in the morning to meditate. I find that it’s very much worth the time investment, and would recommend anyone struggling with focus/anxiety to try it themselves.

How long did it take you to see results? I've battled (manageable) ADHD all my life and have been meditating for around a year. I've seen many positive impacts on my life, but the ADHD is still very much a thing I still battle.

Re: ADHD, a Lifelong Struggle (2018)

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

penagwin wrote: post #65
munk-a wrote: post #4

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There's another weird factor. Ritalin is an upper and it's stigmatized to take an upper - either your performance, judged by coworkers, will be equivalent or below theirs and the stimulant is seen as the only thing keeping you in your job (which can get super depressing internally) - or, if you're doing well in your position, it can breed internal and external doubt as to whether your performance would just be normal…

> Ever spent a day off staring at a wall dreading the possibility that you might waste a day until you realize the sun has gone down? Yup, so much fun. This is literally every Saturday for me. I'm thinking about keeping my Ritalin by my bed. I don't understand why it's so difficult and it makes me really frustrated - I just can't get out of bed. I try to wake up and my mind goes "naw". I sit up to get out of bed, sit…

Fuck I do this every day. Been diagnosed with ASD and I probably have at least one sleep disorder too. The guilt is indeed the worst part about it.
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