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Why I Procrastinate (2019)

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Re: Why I Procrastinate (2019)

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post #13

"I find it extraordinarily difficult to just... relax. Sit on a bench and watch the clouds. [...] But even if I'm in that perfect scenario where there's nothing to do... my brain will just fill the void with absurd daydreams and rabbithole trains of thought. " This is the case for many (all?) people. I've found that you need to intentionally train your ability to not let your mind do this. I recommend this book for s…

I have the exact same thing, but I always thought of it as a brilliant feature, not as a problem. As soon as I sit around and get bored, my brain will make up absurd daydreams and stories. Usually they are pretty funny, so afterwards I feel relaxed and happy. Isn't that the whole point of taking a break?

Imagine that brilliant feature isn't just "a break" but the norm... it's not just "when I get bored," it's:

  - In the middle of flow
  - Trying to fall asleep
  - Trying to go back to sleep
  - In the middle of important conversations
  - During meetings - even one's you're leading
  - When you're getting dressed
  - When you're making breakfast (where the hell did I put the 3rd spoon I've pulled from the drawer)
  - When you're in intimate moments with a partner (or by yourself - no judgement here)
  - When you're making lunch (just burned my second grilled cheese because I can't stay on task for 5 minutes)
  - During exercise
  - During free-time and hobbies
  - Between small tasks
  - In the middle of small tasks
  - etc
  - etc
  - etc
The article itself is about the issues surrounding the person's ADHD, not just "procrastination," which for many people is a good thing, because it's a brain break; but for many of us with ADHD it's the norm and a cycle we have to fight instead of embrace.

Re: Why I Procrastinate (2019)

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Standard counterpoint objection here that I'm not sure I "buy" ADHD. How much of it is just "being human" (and in particular "being a young human") in a world that's inhuman? Is it a coincidence that the condition was first "observed" around the onset of industrialization a couple hundred years ago? There are numerous evolutionary advantages to being tuned-in to your environment. Certainly every tribe could've used at least a couple people like that. But in an industrialized world, with industrialized education & work processes, where you're called-upon to sit still for hours doing things that don't matter (and that you hence, don't care about), where subtly you tend to find more success the more you act like an automaton, it's apparently maladaptive, a liability and an aberration. Because we've made it one. It's industrialization itself that's maladaptive.

Re: Why I Procrastinate (2019)

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post #22

Doesn’t this contradict the other article that was upvoted on how procrastination is more emotional than anything else? To say it is ADHD is to suggest it is neurological e.g. some chemical imbalance in the brain, but if it’s really an emotional response then saying you have ADHD is more like pointing out the symptom rather than the cause here.

This isn't saying that __ALL__ procrastination is ADHD, and the other article didn't say that __ALL__ procrastination is emotional. This article is saying that this specific person's procrastination is linked to their ADHD - and even covers some of the emotional response portion (the section on feedback dysphoria).

Most psychologists and psychiatrists worth their salt will tell you that ADHD and Anxiety are kissing-cousins; and will usually look for the other if someone has one of them. Guess what is a great emotional inhibitor to doing things... Anxiety.

More generally, a strong emotional response of any kind could be considered as a chemical imbalance by how you're categorizing ADHD. ADHD isn't as hard and fast assigned a "chemical imbalance" like Depression, and more closely related to Asperger/Autism as an executive function/communication disorder (via DSM 4r9 and all of DSM 5). The reason that some of us are given something like Welbutrin or Proponolol instead of a straight stimulant like Ritalin or Aderall is because ADHD can in many cases be clustered with Depression, Anxiety, or other mood disorders (which are in the "chemical imbalance" group, and knocking out one can help the other).

So, short story long, there's no contradiction; but like with most things, there can be multiple root causes for a single, broadly defined outcome like procrastination.

Re: Why I Procrastinate (2019)

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A lot of people here are defending ADHD/procrastination, and while I agree with a lot of the points (especially the one about industrialization being maladaptive), it's worth considering the personal cost of not mitigating these behaviors. "Rework" ends with a good quote about inspiration being a diminishing resource. You might feel really passionate about some big project, but if you don't have the skills to organize, plan, and implement the subtasks required to get it done, your enthusiasm will eventually wane and you'll never bring it to life. This happened to me perpetually throughout my twenties and I've lost track of how many good ideas I had that died on the vine because I lacked the skill to bring them to life. Figuring out how to create a system that works for you and allows you to capture and make progress on your ideas is hugely valuable. I understand the concern about becoming a slave to a system, but letting your potential wither away is an equally unpleasant fate.

Re: Why I Procrastinate (2019)

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To try and provide feedback without being critical, the way you bold text from "So What's Up?" and through "Tips and Tricks" is very distracting. Since you use bold text for titles and the list items in that "So What's Up?" section, bold text is structural and serves a purpose to separate ideas. You overload it a bit by bolding long phrases you wish to draw the reader's attention to.

You use bold text well before and after these sections, when you're only bolding a few words at most at a time. Once you start bolding whole phrases your paragraphs start looking like striped lines. It was very distracting to try to follow your sentences when my attention is getting drawn to all the bolded text around me. It almost felt wrong at times to read the plain formatted text.

Your content was very engaging and I relate to it quite a bit. The illustrations are fantastic thanks for posting.

Re: Why I Procrastinate (2019)

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To try and provide feedback without being critical, the way you bold text from "So What's Up?" and through "Tips and Tricks" is very distracting. Since you use bold text for titles and the list items in that "So What's Up?" section, bold text is structural and serves a purpose to separate ideas. You overload it a bit by bolding long phrases you wish to draw the reader's attention to. You use bold text well before and…

That's a fair take. I was trying something out and I wasn't sure how well it would work. Maybe just slightly lighter/darker text would work better.

Re: Why I Procrastinate (2019)

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Like with all things, laziness/conscientiousness exists on a spectrum, and it's hard to tell where normal variation crosses over into pathology. I do have to wonder if self-proclaimed laziness among nerdy types comes from a tendency to set very high standards for ourselves and to compare ourselves with extraordinarily productive people. I think the average human being might be lazier than we give them credit for. The author complains about not being able to stop browsing reddit and get out of bed? Well, it seems that's how a great many people choose to spend their time these days if given a choice, so can we really say that's a sign of pathology? You feel like you're not working hard enough on your personal coding/science/art/whatever project? Well, most people don't have any personal projects, they produce very little beyond what is required to make a living, and for the extra amount that they do produce they don't hold themselves to very high standards and they don't care if they ultimately abandon the project, so you're already way ahead of the curve there.

I say all this as someone who has had severe problems with laziness and I empathize with the author of the article a lot, so I'm not trying to make light of the problem. I'm just suggesting an alternative perspective that may be useful.

Re: Why I Procrastinate (2019)

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post #32

Standard counterpoint objection here that I'm not sure I "buy" ADHD. How much of it is just "being human" (and in particular "being a young human") in a world that's inhuman? Is it a coincidence that the condition was first "observed" around the onset of industrialization a couple hundred years ago? There are numerous evolutionary advantages to being tuned-in to your environment. Certainly every tribe could've used a…

The is sort of the issue with most deviations from neurotypicality. It's a disease only when it stops you from doing what you and society wants you to do. That's why lots of people manage without treatment. But what are you recommending? That people with ADHD should just move somewhere they can live in a non-industrialized setting?

I suspect also that you may have an outdated view of ADHD. It's more about a lack of executive function than 'hyperactivity'. In fact one of the ADHD types is 'inattentive'. Did you read the whole article? The author discusses some of this.

Re: Why I Procrastinate (2019)

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post #2

All these procrastination articles are obviously finding their target audience here on HN!

I sometimes feel like these articles are popular because procrastination is just a universal part of the human condition. I doubt anyone scrolls past these articles and thinks “that doesn’t affect me at all”.

I procrastinate to the point where it’s causing me real problems in life, yet it feels kinda indulgent to say that as if I’m the victim of some disease, when I’m actually just failing to deal with something that’s hard for everyone.

Perhaps this feeling is actually contributing to the problem, because I’m continually frustrated that I can’t just snap out of it like (most) other people.

Re: Why I Procrastinate (2019)

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post #32

Standard counterpoint objection here that I'm not sure I "buy" ADHD. How much of it is just "being human" (and in particular "being a young human") in a world that's inhuman? Is it a coincidence that the condition was first "observed" around the onset of industrialization a couple hundred years ago? There are numerous evolutionary advantages to being tuned-in to your environment. Certainly every tribe could've used a…

Even in these comments here, you can see there are people for whom this article resonates deeply, and those for whom it doesn't. So at the very least there's something there that impacts people differently, and since the impact is usually detrimental, that's enough to classify this as a Disorder.
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