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Re: Search Still Sucks

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Apparently, this blog author has been ousted as "bribed by Microsoft for secret advertising disguised in posts" There has been a lot "google search sucks" submission from Techcrunch lately. This was starting to feel a little weird. So I googled "Michael Arrington Microsoft" and got this : http://techrights.org/2010/02/07/michael-arrington-microsoft... Are people aware of this ? is it old news ? Is HN being spammed ?

There's a lot of "google search sucks" lately because google search sucks. I would also be wary of techrights.org when it comes to regarding anything Microsoft.

Re: Search Still Sucks

#22
This is why I think it'd be great to see Google release all the 40,000+ test queries which Google/Matt Cutts took back in 2000. It would help to put to rest some of the "Google is regressing and getting worse" debate one way or the other (and I suspect by showing that such talk is more sensationalist than accurate; I think Google search has improved a fair amount).

The article does make some interesting points, and I am a bit confused at the supposed sequence of events with the JC Penny/NY Times story. Plus it does raise the question of why a company who previously has had some SEO issues was - apparently - able to game Google's rankings in such a major way (using such spammy methods) without Google picking up on it for months.

That's a conclusion point from the article which I think is a well founded one.

As for the other points in the article's conclusion though:

>> "But all the evidence suggests otherwise. Demand Media is worth $1.6 billion, and their entire business is based on pushing cheap, useless content into Google to get a few stray links. If Google was good at search, Demand Media wouldn't exist."

"wouldn't exist" is subjective. If Demand Media weren't pumping out content, what would rank in its place? Part of Demand Media's success is that they are 'filling in the gaps' and covering content surrounding keywords which don't really warrant much competition. Sure this isn't always the case - and Demand Media's sites do sometimes rank highly for some rubbish content with other alternatives available - but in many cases it does seem to be at least part of the reason for DM's success.

Do I like some of Demand Media's content? No.

Do I like that Demand Media seem happy to have some pages with more adverts than content? No.

Do I think that Google et al should not even index some of their pages (some of which can at current rank fairly well)? Yes.

Do I think that there's many good alternatives to some of DM's content? NO. Unfortunately.

>> "And Bing wouldn't be making solid gains in search market share."

I might have different ideas about what "solid gains" means, although to me a percentage point here or there doesn't amount to much.

If - say - a Presidential candidate seen his/her opinion polls increase by 1 or 2%, you wouldn't see a bunch of stories saying how the candidate is making "solid gains".

In-fact, if a mainstream media source run an article on (say) a political party who seen a 2% rise in their opinion polls - and thus concluded that said party is making "solid gains" - I'd feel intellectually insulted and suspect the mainstream media source of bias.

So I definitely feel that this conclusion point is sensationalism (and inaccurate sensationalism, at that) and nothing more.

So all in all, a decent article which makes some decent points (at times). But it does also feel a bit of a shallow 'staying in the bandwagon' type of article, too.

Re: Search Still Sucks

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It's funny that someone who just sold out to AOL would choose to trash Demand Media.

> If Google was good at search, Demand Media wouldn’t exist.

Would Associated Content? Would AOL?

- - -

This is a cheap article that plays with words; it's titled "search still sucks", which is debatable but "truish", but what it really tries to say is that search "sucks more and more", which is provably false.

And it's 100% evidence free, too, as is the rule in the new entertaining noisosphere of blogism.

> So what is the evidence that search still sucks? Well, you know it’s true, just like me.

Mr. Arrington sounds like a priest now; what's the evidence that God exists? Well, you know it's true, don't you?

-- Well, no, I don't. What else do you have?

-- Err, nothing.

Re: Search Still Sucks

#24
I was wondering why there were so few negative comments here on Michael Arrington posts.I have just read his biography on wikipedia.

Now I feel very naive. It Must be obvious I am new here. I understand no one here want to piss off this guy (like in my other comment). At least no one trying to launch a startup.

Ok now I need a new account.

Re: Search Still Sucks

#25
I'm afraid to say something like this, but some linkspam/scraper sites are verging on looking almost useful.

I was trying to Google references to Greek Playwright Aristophanes' use of fart jokes (yes, seriously I was looking for that) and I came across this linkspam page:

http://wn.com/2934_Aristophanes (seems to have dropped in Google ranking)

For one thing, this site doesn't offend my eyes. It doesn't immediately insult my intellect, either. After the first second, though, it still proves to be just as useless.

In a way, what Cuil was trying to do was to apply enough AI to make an actually very useful scraper site. What would the world be like if such sites actually existed?

http://wn.com/linkspam

(Seems like the site is just trawling through my cookies to make guesses about what I'd like.)

Re: Search Still Sucks

#26

Google loves what you guys call spam because it allows Google to generate more revenues. When a content farm pushes first pages results this causes the real manufacturers and businesses to use Google's advertising platform to reach their customers. When you're looking for a kitchen appliance It's better for Google to return a landing page filled with Google Adsense ads instead of the official website of one of these…

What this really means, is that Google should eliminate the middleman. Google shouldn't fight content farms. It should become the unstoppable juggernaut among content farms and do this by being actually useful and creating pages with value.

Re: Search Still Sucks

#27
'Search still sucks' seems like quite an exaggeration when the average user (whoever that is) isn't even noticing any 'decline'.

I usually always find what I am looking for when using Google and haven't noticed any major changes recently when it comes to the search results. Maybe because I am taking some of my searches straight to respective sites like Wikipedia, IMDB, Discogs but still.

Also, ever since day one a bit of 'common sense' helps determining which results are actually useful (and I am all right with that).

Re: Search Still Sucks

#28

Travel searches, for example, are a joke, and startups like Gogobot are popping up to try to fix that. This is how Google is finally toppled. Not by a "google killer" or another giant like Bing, but by a thousand tiny niche services that get "X" search right.

and by meta-searches like Duck Duck Go who make it easy to get to all those tiny niche sites -- and protect your privacy while you're at it.

Re: Search Still Sucks

#29
I thought this was a great point: "When companies start to flail they nearly always do a couple of things. First, they trash the competitors. Then the talk about how hard the problem is and that the solution is a long term one."

Re: Search Still Sucks

#30
post #3

Btw Matt Cutts' statement "Google's algorithms had started to work; manual action also taken." is weird. ( http://twitter.com/mattcutts/status/36502687868665856 ) All evidence indicates that JC Penny was ranked #1 until the NYT provided Google with the evidence that it had collected. Google then acted on the evidence. As a result of those actions, JC Penny's rank dropped from #1 to #71. It is funny that he should say…

I didn't understand that comment either until I read his comment here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2212336 Algorithmic changes went into play 1.5 weeks ago and had started to drop JCPenny, then the spam team gave them some cement shoes.

Sounds like Google intervened manually as well as doing algorithmic changes. How long till they do the same with Demand Media?
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