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Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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The question shouldn't be whether it's standard, but if the office has the authority to intervene. You can then work backwards to legislative hot fixes to governance deficiencies.

Unfortunately, the question of how much authority the office has depends on which party currently occupies the office and who's asking.

Whether or not the occupant has just been impeached for leveraging public assets against political enemies seems to also be a relevant factor.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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If you think that the only thing the U.S. military does is "assault" then you haven't really done any research at all, have you? Read up on force-projection, specifically as it relates to soft-power.

Note I said most cases , which, in English, means "not all cases, but most of them." Obviously, the U.S. Military does slightly more than assault. Proportionally not much more, but a bit more. Like football. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Black_Knights_football

Oh, okay. Unless you're relying solely on your "intuition" of what the U.S. military uses resources for, please post sources or figures for your quantification of U.S. force projection and how it's "mostly" used for assault.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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Did you even read the last sentence of the parent comment?

Did you read the first?

I did. I mean, I /could/ focus on only one sentence of a post, argue from that point alone, and insist the conversation hinge on that point but that would be ignorant and rude.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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I understand that the existing approach results in a worse and more expensive product, but doesn't this approach also allow agencies to focus their efforts on assuring the vendors of their critical infrastructure aren't comprimised by bad actors etc...? (This isn't my area expertise, so I'm open to the idea of being super wrong)

You can lock down YOUR infrastructure, but then are 100% dependent on the cloud environment to maintain and patch theirs. Since you have no insight to what the underlying infrastructure consists of you really have no way of knowing if they are secure. Do their storage arrays have open CVE's? are they employing people who are mentally sane? You just need to trust them. So in the cloud just migrates the a lot of the se…

They are almost certainly getting their own privately built cloud which they can 100% show up and audit whenever they please.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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There's a huge, gigantic difference between not having a military at all and spending 1 trillion a year to be an imperialist superpower. It's almost like... there's a middle ground.

The thing is, we spend that much and we're not even good imperialists. When was the last time we annexed any territory? Declared a lesser state a protectorate? Or established a new colony? We spend trillions/year to be the world police so our "allies" don't have to while they mock us on twitter.

We have over 800 military bases in ~70 countries around the world.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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> The "enough" here is zero. No, it isn't. Legally it might be zero, but multi-billion dollar companies don't enter legal processes that last years and cost them millions just for the sake of it. This isn't the same as "you'll hear from my lawyer".

>This isn't the same as "you'll hear from my lawyer". How isn't it? You keep speaking authoritatively on this; where is your evidence? And any derivation of "Amazon is a big company and they don't enter lawsuits they won't win" isn't evidence.

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> "Amazon is a big company and they don't enter lawsuits they won't win"

this simply isn't what I said.

Second - my evidence? We're not in court and I'm not trying to prove anything to you. I just explained my thought process - if you disagree or if you think there's a flaw in my reasoning, you can point it out. Or you can move on and ignore what I've written.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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That is not yet proven. Azure has plenty of other business, so there exist reasons to select it other than corruption. If there wasn’t an openly corrupt president waging a public war with Jeff Bezos there wouldn’t even be the suspicion of this, but given the facts of the man I think Bezos is right to file suit and have it investigated.

If Trump had even a hint of a whiff of a modicum of a crumb of subtlety, he could have gotten a similar result in a way that would preclude such a challenge. But Trump gonna Trump.

I think you are misreading Trump. The flagrant openness is part of the power play. By doing it openly he denies plausible deniability to his foot soldiers and limits their future ability to defect.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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After 15 years of being a DoD contractor, it is frustrating to see yet another sole source entity getting the contract. Prices will inflate and there is no competition. HP and Oracle have been reaping the benefits of this for at least two decades now. We put databases on Oracle that should be handled by Postgres or MariaDB since DoD prefers Oracle. We would buy useless HP software because we were a HP shop. I fought…

As a former longtime contractor I totally agree. One thing often overlooked is this 'Silver Tsunami' that will wreak havoc on the old guard (existing giant contracting companies). The existing workforce is aging, the new blood is uninterested in the old ways (cruft, old tech) and frankly there's tremendous opportunity for a 'Space-X' style small contractor to get a serious foothold. Some of these companies need to re…

> there's tremendous opportunity for a 'Space-X' style small contractor to get a serious foothold.

Sure, but the procurement process is incredibly difficult to crack into for small companies. There is tremendous amounts of red tape designed to keep other players out.

> Some of these companies need to replace 40% of their workforce in the next decade. Who would a new grad choose?

Most will go to where the money is...unless you go FAANG, it's harder to find the kind of high salaries that defense contractors can throw around in the private sector.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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Unfortunately, the question of how much authority the office has depends on which party currently occupies the office and who's asking.

Whether or not the occupant has just been impeached for leveraging public assets against political enemies seems to also be a relevant factor.

Even that seems to 100% be prior party lines anyway.

Re: Amazon asks court to halt Microsoft's work on Pentagon 'war cloud'

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>This isn't the same as "you'll hear from my lawyer". How isn't it? You keep speaking authoritatively on this; where is your evidence? And any derivation of "Amazon is a big company and they don't enter lawsuits they won't win" isn't evidence.

First, > "Amazon is a big company and they don't enter lawsuits they won't win" this simply isn't what I said. Second - my evidence ? We're not in court and I'm not trying to prove anything to you. I just explained my thought process - if you disagree or if you think there's a flaw in my reasoning, you can point it out. Or you can move on and ignore what I've written.

>Or you can move on and ignore what I've written.

I tend to have discussions with people online to understand their point of view. Will you indulge me and share why you think there's merit to the case or is this thread just another pair of soapboxes where we each squawk from our megaphones and leave without mutual understanding?

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