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Seattle-area voters to vote by smartphone in district election

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Re: Seattle-area voters to vote by smartphone in district election

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Making a big case about voter turnout not being as great as other countries is a red herring. We have it really, really good in this country. So good that, practically speaking, it doesn't matter who gets elected because things will continue to stay good. I read low voter turnout as an implicit vote of confidence in the system as a whole. You can be sure that if [stuff] was actually hitting the fan then everyone woul…

> I read low voter turnout as an implicit vote of confidence in the system as a whole.

Look at a map of voter turnout in Europe, and ask yourself is that REALLY credible.

It's more likely that US low turnout is because, for many voters in many elections, their vote is kinda meaningless. If you live in California or Texas your vote in a presidential election is meaningless, say, and probably also in a senate election. Depending on your district, your vote in a house election is probably also meaningless; most are not competitive.

As a general rule turnout is higher in countries using some form of proportional representation, as individual votes are far more likely to be impactful there (in a PR-STV system, for instance, it is pretty rare that all of a constituency's representatives are effectively decided before the election, whereas that's the case in the majority of US districts).

Other factors; most US states have rather short ballot opening hours compared to other democratic countries (In Ireland, say, we generally have voting from 7am-10pm or so), and the US population is more dispersed than most developed countries, making traveling to a polling station more difficult.

That said, voting by phone is an obviously unacceptable solution, as it destroys the secret ballot.

Re: Seattle-area voters to vote by smartphone in district election

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> King County voters will be able to use their name and birthdate to log in to a Web portal through the Internet browser on their phones, says Bryan Finney, the CEO of Democracy Live, the Seattle-based voting company providing the technology. Oh, really? > Once voters have completed their ballots, they must verify their submissions and then submit a signature on the touch screen of their device. Huh? > Finney says el…

"Finney must have never had to sign on a phone screen with a finger while driving before."

Why the "while driving" bit? Your argument was solid until you added these 2 words. Now you're saying "If it doesn't work while I'm busy operating a motor vehicle, I'm against it!"

Re: Seattle-area voters to vote by smartphone in district election

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post #10

> King County voters will be able to use their name and birthdate to log in to a Web portal through the Internet browser on their phones, says Bryan Finney, the CEO of Democracy Live, the Seattle-based voting company providing the technology. Oh, really? > Once voters have completed their ballots, they must verify their submissions and then submit a signature on the touch screen of their device. Huh? > Finney says el…

Wholeheartedly disagree-- if casting a ballot was as easy as sending a text instead of receiving and then mailing a letter or going to a polling location, I would predict much higher participation. People don't see it worth their time because a single vote really isn't worth anyone's time. Votes only matter as groups!

So obviously you have to make it as braindead simple to vote as we have made everything else. What I do not see the purpose in, is complaining about or nay-saying these attempts. You're never going to convince someone that one vote is worth more than it is, which is what people really mean when they talk about 'engagement', because your vote on its own really just doesn't matter much and people intuitively get that.

Reducing the cost of voting to match the actual value of a single vote is the best move we have IMO.

Re: Seattle-area voters to vote by smartphone in district election

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> King County voters will be able to use their name and birthdate to log in to a Web portal through the Internet browser on their phones, says Bryan Finney, the CEO of Democracy Live, the Seattle-based voting company providing the technology. Oh, really? > Once voters have completed their ballots, they must verify their submissions and then submit a signature on the touch screen of their device. Huh? > Finney says el…

>> Finney says election officials in Washington are adept at signature verification because the state votes entirely by mail. ...

> Finney must have never had to sign on a phone screen with a finger while driving before.

How is "while driving" relevant? I think that even the most ardent proponent of reducing barriers to voting would find it acceptable to make it hard for people to vote while driving.

Re: Seattle-area voters to vote by smartphone in district election

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> King County voters will be able to use their name and birthdate to log in to a Web portal through the Internet browser on their phones, says Bryan Finney, the CEO of Democracy Live, the Seattle-based voting company providing the technology. Oh, really? > Once voters have completed their ballots, they must verify their submissions and then submit a signature on the touch screen of their device. Huh? > Finney says el…

Politics is theatre, I don’t think anything ever gets done. It just gives people a forum to complain and they can feel like they’re making a difference.

Although this appears to be something local so there’s a chance it’s not entirely useless.

Re: Seattle-area voters to vote by smartphone in district election

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post #3

Making a big case about voter turnout not being as great as other countries is a red herring. We have it really, really good in this country. So good that, practically speaking, it doesn't matter who gets elected because things will continue to stay good. I read low voter turnout as an implicit vote of confidence in the system as a whole. You can be sure that if [stuff] was actually hitting the fan then everyone woul…

> I read low voter turnout as an implicit vote of confidence in the system as a whole. So, then the folks in Sweden and Denmark are voting because they lack confidence in their government, whereas in Estonia and Latvia, all is fine?

I can't comment on confidence in the system working well reducing turnout but I suspect that high confidence in the system being so broken voting won't ever fix it reduces turnout.

Re: Seattle-area voters to vote by smartphone in district election

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> King County voters will be able to use their name and birthdate to log in to a Web portal through the Internet browser on their phones, says Bryan Finney, the CEO of Democracy Live, the Seattle-based voting company providing the technology.

If they mean that there is a public URL you go to, and then on the site only have to enter you birhdate and name to log in, and then you can vote--that can't be right. There's gotta be more than that.

My guess is that what has been lost in the stories is how you get the URL. I'm guessing that they either email you the URL or they send physical mail which includes a QR code with the URL, and the URL contains some sort of unique per voter identifier (hopefully randomly generated anew for each election). When you go to vote the site knows who you are supposed to be from that identifier in the URL, and the name/birthdate is just for a consistency check.

Re: Seattle-area voters to vote by smartphone in district election

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As a mobile developer I think this is a REALLY bad idea because of the security implications surrounding it.

As a security guy I think this is a REALLY bad idea because of the security implications surrounding it.

As a citizen I think this is a REALLY bad idea because of the security implications surrounding it.
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