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Should Be: Detroit - Silicon City

#1
I'v had this thought in the back of my mind for a good year now, and wanted to share it with the HN lot.

Times are tough, jobs are sparse, Detroit has been destroyed by the withdrawal of the auto industry.

It seems like the perfect time for the geeks to swoop in, set up projects/teams, buy cheap houses and re(t|m)ake the city.

It's nothing simple or easy, but I can't help but see a potential Silicon City or Startup City.

Any thoughts?

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#3

Generally speaking, programmers aren't poor. They can afford to live in more expensive places with little snow, less crime, more interesting companies, and VC's.

I agree that programmers have been relatively economically protected. There's still wisdom saving money.

Perhaps the crime factor makes Detroit a tough sell (or the snow for some).

There must be another city in the throes of economic upheaval to choose.

My thoughts are that affordable housing + a few brave companies will bring other companies, talent and VC's.

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#4

Generally speaking, programmers aren't poor. They can afford to live in more expensive places with little snow, less crime, more interesting companies, and VC's.

Snow is a personal preference. Boston and Detroit are comparable in terms of snowfall, the difference being there are umpteen ski resorts within a three hour drive of Boston.

I like the OP's Utopian vision for resurrecting Detroit, I had a similar idea related to other manufacturing ventures. The infrastructure should mostly still be in tact. The only thing that is missing is the industry. The perfect fit to me is the green energy industry (solar, wind manufacturing). It's the perfect opportunity to get Detroit back on it's feet, and reduce our dependence on fossil fuels. Throw in a tax break that both sides of the isle can live with, and there would be virtually no opposition.

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post #4

Generally speaking, programmers aren't poor. They can afford to live in more expensive places with little snow, less crime, more interesting companies, and VC's.

Snow is a personal preference. Boston and Detroit are comparable in terms of snowfall, the difference being there are umpteen ski resorts within a three hour drive of Boston. I like the OP's Utopian vision for resurrecting Detroit, I had a similar idea related to other manufacturing ventures. The infrastructure should mostly still be in tact. The only thing that is missing is the industry. The perfect fit to me is th…

Other than the fact that if nobody lives in Detroit and nobody wants to live in Detroit, the last place we should want industry is Detroit. What makes sense is for industry to be built where people want to live. That apparently means not Michigan, and generally, not in the north. (Migration in the U.S. goes generally from the north to the south.)

Claims about the infrastructure are unconvincing. If the infrastructure is sufficiently intact and if that's an actual plus so that it's worth starting a business there, then businesses would be started there. Or is the market being inefficient, and you with your oh-so-wise opinion of how things should be know better than the people who would stand to make money off of being right about your suppositions?

Here's a better idea: Let's help Cambodia get back on its feet by subsidizing its industry, they would benefit more per dollar than people living in Michigan.

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#7

Detroit: High crime, cold weather, ridiculous tax structure inside city limits, no outdoor activities... just pick some podunk town in Texas, you'll be better off all around.

Great - where else?

If we're going to pick our ideal city, what should it be? Maybe podunk Texas isn't going to have the best internet service. Who does, within the list of economically thirsty locations?

That's the underlying question: What city has cheap housing, good infrastructure and is friendly to tech startups?

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#8
post #4

Generally speaking, programmers aren't poor. They can afford to live in more expensive places with little snow, less crime, more interesting companies, and VC's.

Snow is a personal preference. Boston and Detroit are comparable in terms of snowfall, the difference being there are umpteen ski resorts within a three hour drive of Boston. I like the OP's Utopian vision for resurrecting Detroit, I had a similar idea related to other manufacturing ventures. The infrastructure should mostly still be in tact. The only thing that is missing is the industry. The perfect fit to me is th…

Detroit is a kleptocracy. The UAW will come in and demand you overpay your workers and (probably more importantly) impose work rules that prevent you from becoming more efficient. The city will tax you to death, since you will be the only source of revenue within the city limits.

Toyota had very good reasons for building their Prius factory in Mississippi rather than Detroit. It's a low tax, right to work state, with no historical tendency toward killing the golden goose.

Detroit is dead, and it's the fault of the people who live there. The only way to save Detroit is to fix the people. Good luck with that.

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#9
It's tough for Detroit to shake the negative press about it. I think there is a lot of potential. There's a re-gentrification happening and there's a growing population of artists, musicians, and tech growing in the middle of the city. It's certainly not big enough to garner any attention but it will.

I think it's easy for people to poo poo on Detroit. Detroit needed to burn so something better could rise from the ashes. Change always happens when things hit its lowest point.

Re: Should Be: Detroit - Silicon City

#10
post #7

Detroit: High crime, cold weather, ridiculous tax structure inside city limits, no outdoor activities... just pick some podunk town in Texas, you'll be better off all around.

Great - where else? If we're going to pick our ideal city, what should it be? Maybe podunk Texas isn't going to have the best internet service. Who does, within the list of economically thirsty locations? That's the underlying question: What city has cheap housing, good infrastructure and is friendly to tech startups?

Cheap housing. Good infrastructure. Friendly to tech startups.

Pick any two.

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