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The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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Alas the Internet was created in a capitalist world, and capitalism loves rent-seeking.

Rent seeking would require the new owner to not really be doing anything (I.e. not operating the tld nameservers, etc) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking Just paying recurring fees (e.g. paying rent to your landlord) does not match the definition of rent-seeking.

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Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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Alas the Internet was created in a capitalist world, and capitalism loves rent-seeking.

Rent seeking would require the new owner to not really be doing anything (I.e. not operating the tld nameservers, etc) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking Just paying recurring fees (e.g. paying rent to your landlord) does not match the definition of rent-seeking.

You are right, however I think rent-seeking in this context is that the owner is able to extract more money without producing any more value. So it would meet the definition. This usage of the term has become quite common when referring to political rent-seeking.

Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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But why not just get a .club extension? Shouldn't .orgs be reserved for big orgs?

Why should it? .Org is about an ethos of philanthropy, which a club just doesn't have.

A club is certainly more pro-humanity than some of the existing misathropic stuff there like internet.org. Philanthropy doesn't have to be about giving money.

Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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Rent seeking would require the new owner to not really be doing anything (I.e. not operating the tld nameservers, etc) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rent-seeking Just paying recurring fees (e.g. paying rent to your landlord) does not match the definition of rent-seeking.

You are right, however I think rent-seeking in this context is that the owner is able to extract more money without producing any more value. So it would meet the definition. This usage of the term has become quite common when referring to political rent-seeking.

Yes, that's what I meant by it.

Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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> Verisign controls the registries for .com and .net, two of the internet’s most popular. All it does is administer a database and collect small sums from website owners, but with computing power rising and practically no marginal cost to adding another website to the database, the entire enterprise is a license to print money. In the third quarter of 2019, Verisign showed operating income of $205.6 million on $308.4…

The problem is you can't move a domain once you've established it. I'm stuck on byuu.org for life. There's 15 years worth of links to it scattered across the web that would all go dark. Or more precisely, that would all suddenly point at spam. I could never get most of them updated. Even my subdomain from my previous host from 15 years ago is squatted to this day to serve up advertising. It's even aware of the softwa…

I'd be worried that whatever new tld I switched to would just as easily do the same thing (start charging stupid money for it), with a big enough tld at least then you'd have enough critical mass to stage a protest (e.g the .org thing here)

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The problem is you can't move a domain once you've established it. I'm stuck on byuu.org for life. There's 15 years worth of links to it scattered across the web that would all go dark. Or more precisely, that would all suddenly point at spam. I could never get most of them updated. Even my subdomain from my previous host from 15 years ago is squatted to this day to serve up advertising. It's even aware of the softwa…

What if a signed version of the content was always accessible, content addressable, in the Internet Archive? Does it matter than what the current namespace is?

> in the Internet Archive

I would wager that 95% of web users do not even know that IA exists, let alone that they can use it.

> Does it matter than what the current namespace is?

As long as it's the only thing a browser will consider to retrieve information, yes. Which is why cool URIs don't change.

Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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I found this article incredible (despite the tabloid-like headline) on this subject: https://www.theregister.co.uk/2020/01/14/icann_org_redacted/ TL;DR: Purchase funded by debt, includes another ex-ICANNer, will be done through four different companies. Some highlights that I think are important from it: Incredibly, the names of three directors of the organization that will buy the registry remain redacted in documen…

> (despite the tabloid-like headline)

I like everything about The Register but the cheezy headlines, nicknames, and bad photoshop are some of the best parts.

Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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What if a signed version of the content was always accessible, content addressable, in the Internet Archive? Does it matter than what the current namespace is?

> in the Internet Archive I would wager that 95% of web users do not even know that IA exists, let alone that they can use it. > Does it matter than what the current namespace is? As long as it's the only thing a browser will consider to retrieve information, yes. Which is why cool URIs don't change.

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Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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It seems that over time any sufficiently well funded non-profit will eventually hire a financial engineer as CEO and transform into a Hedge Fund with some sort of charitable appendage.

America's well-endowed universities seem like a perfect example of human greed. They have amassed so much money that they could seriously invest in furthering their ostensible mission — education — yet they'd rather just obsess over making sure the big pile of money only grows bigger.

Should they though? In the current climate that seems risky, if your donation to the university wasn't used for education but instead spent building infrastructure on Africa then some folks would likely decry that investment as being self-serving (trying to build good PR to cover up some perceived bad event that recently happened), or it might be decried as being injust (sure, they invested into that village, but the neighboring village was so much worse off), or it might be controversial (did you know that the village you gave money to was the home of the mother of the former dictator that raised a child army over here)... or it might just be decried as being wasteful (if the university has so much money to spare why should I donate to it - they're just lighting money on fire trying to fight causes that have no relation to education).

I think there isn't an easy answer to this question and just letting the ball of cash grow bigger honestly might be the only "safe" decision we've left open to universities... that said pumping it into mutual funds managed by the president's husband or giving steep raises to administrators also looks terrible from the outside.

Re: The Attempted Corporate Takeover of .Org

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It seems that over time any sufficiently well funded non-profit will eventually hire a financial engineer as CEO and transform into a Hedge Fund with some sort of charitable appendage.

America's well-endowed universities seem like a perfect example of human greed. They have amassed so much money that they could seriously invest in furthering their ostensible mission — education — yet they'd rather just obsess over making sure the big pile of money only grows bigger.

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