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Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by danillonunes »

AshwinDurairaj wrote: post #164
piadodjanho wrote: post #125

In case someone is wondering how they hacked Telegram. They used caller id spoofing and a telco vulnerability. 1. Change your phone ID and try to login on Telegram; 2. Telegram will send an SMS with an authentication number followed by a phone call to the actual mobile phone; 3. To avoid the message going through, spams the victim with many VoIP calls; 4. The Telegram call will be recorded on the missed call voice me…

Does anyone know if Telegram will ever move away from relying on phone numbers for authentication?

Telegram rolled a fix right after the hijack trick was publicly known. Now, you can receive a verification code as a telephone call only if you have 2FA enabled in your Telegram account.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by AsyncAwait »

dang wrote: post #80
thescriptkiddie wrote: post #51

There is a disturbing level of pro Bolsonaro astroturfing going on in here. Don't be deceived, Greenwald is a political prisoner.

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I find this quite disgusting. There are many more outrageous violations on HN where you do not post, yet you appear under this particular one. Interesting indeed.

I understand there's a need to enforce some etiquette, however Brazil may be close to a time Germany was in 1933, not sure this is the time to call both sides equal.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by moralsupply »

coliveira wrote: post #169
moralsupply wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The leaked texts make it clear that the prosecutor's office and the judge (Moro) had clear political motivations for taking down the front-running candidate in the last election and that they abused their powers to do so. At the time the bulk of the investigations were happening, Lula wasn't even running for president, and the elections were quite far away (4-6 years), so you can't argue he was in the front-run of…

That's false, Lula had always been the frontrunner in popular polls for the 2018 election. He was convicted by the ex-judge in the year before and jailed a few months before the election. Moreover, just a few days before the election ex-judge Moro and his group was actively providing"dirty" about Bolsonaro's opponent to the press, even though he had already negotiated a position in Bolsonaro's cabinet. All this polit…

The "dirt" you're referring to is a large amount of criminal activity that lead to the the most important figures in the workers party to jail. Are you implying that all the evidences that lead to the prosecution of those politicians were created out of nowhere for political purposes?

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by padseeker »

driverdan wrote: post #127
padseeker wrote: post #7

Last time I checked Glenn Greenwald was saying that Russian interference had nothing to do with results of the last election and Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate. I have no quibble with the bad candidate line, but it's pretty clear that the Russians we're actively involved trying to get Trump elected. I think some people have legitimate disagreements with Glenn.

I downvoted you because your comment has nothing to do with the charges at hand. No one said you have to agree with everything Greenwald says.

FYI I was trying to reply to DanBissel's comments about how GG is the only one capable of telling the truth and the rest of the media is compromised. I don't want GG to be charged or go to jail. DanBissel's comments were not quite related to the post. But that's fair, I can understand your justification. I respect your downvote.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by cmcaine »

kragen wrote: post #129
testvox wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So do they not have jury nullification in Brazil?

Dude, Brazil wasn't an English colony. They don't even have juries , much less jury nullification .

Jury trials are practiced in many jurisdictions and did not originate in England.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_trial

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by coliveira »

moralsupply wrote: post #173
coliveira wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's false, Lula had always been the frontrunner in popular polls for the 2018 election. He was convicted by the ex-judge in the year before and jailed a few months before the election. Moreover, just a few days before the election ex-judge Moro and his group was actively providing"dirty" about Bolsonaro's opponent to the press, even though he had already negotiated a position in Bolsonaro's cabinet. All this polit…

The "dirt" you're referring to is a large amount of criminal activity that lead to the the most important figures in the workers party to jail. Are you implying that all the evidences that lead to the prosecution of those politicians were created out of nowhere for political purposes?

Bolsonaro's rival in 2018's election was Mr. Haddad. Conveniently, ex-judge Moro and his group decided to prosecute him a few weeks before elections. Greenwald's reporting shows that this was politically motivated, like most actions of this supposedly "unbiased" group self-labeled "car wash operation".

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by moralsupply »

coliveira wrote: post #176
moralsupply wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "dirt" you're referring to is a large amount of criminal activity that lead to the the most important figures in the workers party to jail. Are you implying that all the evidences that lead to the prosecution of those politicians were created out of nowhere for political purposes?

Bolsonaro's rival in 2018's election was Mr. Haddad. Conveniently, ex-judge Moro and his group decided to prosecute him a few weeks before elections. Greenwald's reporting shows that this was politically motivated, like most actions of this supposedly "unbiased" group self-labeled "car wash operation".

Please provide sources showing that Moro prosecuted Haddad a few weeks before the elections.

Also, do you really believe that could have changed the outcome of the elections?

It's interesting to note that Greenwald keeps playing the key that Moro did "politically motivated" actions (disregarding the fact the legal actions against the worker's party went through about a dozen judges beyond Moro), while Greenwald himself is doing "journalism" that is "politically motivated".

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by coliveira »

moralsupply wrote: post #177
coliveira wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bolsonaro's rival in 2018's election was Mr. Haddad. Conveniently, ex-judge Moro and his group decided to prosecute him a few weeks before elections. Greenwald's reporting shows that this was politically motivated, like most actions of this supposedly "unbiased" group self-labeled "car wash operation".

Please provide sources showing that Moro prosecuted Haddad a few weeks before the elections. Also, do you really believe that could have changed the outcome of the elections? It's interesting to note that Greenwald keeps playing the key that Moro did "politically motivated" actions (disregarding the fact the legal actions against the worker's party went through about a dozen judges beyond Moro), while Greenwald himse…

That's a fundamental misunderstanding. Greenwald, think what you want about his political ideas (which are not entirely on the left spectrum), has no responsibility to be politically unbiased. On the contrary, he is very upfront about his political thinking (against the powerful, as he puts it). He has complete right to work on journalism independent of these views. This is part of his freedom of activity and expression as a journalist and it is ensured by the Brazilian laws. On the other hand, members of the judiciary, responsible for handling criminal matters, have NO RIGHT whatsoever to act based on their political preferences, as this goes directly against the mission of the judiciary. They also have NO RIGHT to maintain hidden coordination with prosecutors of the case. The prosecutors have NO RIGHT to maintain hidden coordination with superior instances about cases they're handling, neither they have the right to use the media to publish partial information that will help make their case in the public view. These are all activities that have been associated to the group lead by ex-judge Moro.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by piadodjanho »

elicash wrote: post #168
jaifraic wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised that 2FA wasn't activated.

Isn't it possible he used it but the person he was speaking with didn't? At least from a U.S. perspective, it seems more likely that law enforcement would try to get a court order to get into the hacker's conversations than a journalist's.

The supreme court judges already stated that Gleen Greenwald cannot be investigated because the reporting. The police got this conversation from a backup kept by the hackers. There is no chance this accusation will be accept by a judge, it goes against the constitution.

Some people speculate the prosecutor was looking for exposure and might run for some position in the next election.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by moralsupply »

coliveira wrote: post #178
moralsupply wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please provide sources showing that Moro prosecuted Haddad a few weeks before the elections. Also, do you really believe that could have changed the outcome of the elections? It's interesting to note that Greenwald keeps playing the key that Moro did "politically motivated" actions (disregarding the fact the legal actions against the worker's party went through about a dozen judges beyond Moro), while Greenwald himse…

That's a fundamental misunderstanding. Greenwald, think what you want about his political ideas (which are not entirely on the left spectrum), has no responsibility to be politically unbiased. On the contrary, he is very upfront about his political thinking (against the powerful, as he puts it). He has complete right to work on journalism independent of these views. This is part of his freedom of activity and express…

I'm still waiting to see the sources that show Moro interfering in the elections by suing the workers' party candidate a few weeks before the elections.

A few points:

1. The judge can talk to anyone (freedom of expression here). He would incur in a crime if his ruling favored one side disregarding the evidences

2. Greenwald associated himself with a group that hacked Moro's phone so that they could steal potentially incriminating information. He's being prosecuted because of that act, not because of his political agenda, or because "the government" is trying to cease his freedom of expression

3. The uncovered conversations between Moro and the prosecutors didn't uncover wrongdoing, as far as the law is concerned. Moro was open about his talks with the prosecutors and defense about 4 years ago, so that alleged "coordination" wasn't exactly "hidden"

4. Moro didn't "lead" any groups. All the cases that put many workers' party leaders in jail were judged by many other judges, in different stances of the judiciary, including the supreme court which is highly favorable of the workers party to this day

In essence this whole story is a smoke screen to try to incriminate a Judge and "forget" about the crimes committed by the workers party leaders by stating that "because Moro talked to prosecutors, the rulings were biased", and by stating that "a heroic journalist is having his freedoms of expression persecuted" while that journalist committed a crime exactly on the grounds of stopping other people to communicate by invading and stealing data from their devices.

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