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Re: Fortran.io – a Fortran Web Framework

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Post by Yhippa »

lolinder wrote: post #128
favorited wrote: post #50

It's definitely not a dead language – a new Fortran front-end has recently been accepted into the LLVM project, joining Clang. So LLVM's only in-tree supported languages (excluding the various IRs) will be C, C++, Objective-C, and Fortran. It had been scheduled for merge into the LLVM monorepo 2 days ago, but has been delayed pending some additional architecture review.

Latin was dead long before it stopped being used in written works. It died when it stopped being spoken and stopped changing. I don't know if Fortran would be considered dead by the "no longer adapting" definition, but that it's still in use isn't proof it's alive.

Interestingly in my high school, we had more people who studied Latin than German.

Re: Fortran.io – a Fortran Web Framework

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Post by greglindahl »

akiselev wrote: post #144
lolinder wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Latin was dead long before it stopped being used in written works. It died when it stopped being spoken and stopped changing. I don't know if Fortran would be considered dead by the "no longer adapting" definition, but that it's still in use isn't proof it's alive.

Latin was in use by the Church well into the 20th century, until the Second Vatican Council in 1962.

That didn't end Latin being used by the Church.

Re: Fortran.io – a Fortran Web Framework

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Post by BjoernKW »

tclancy wrote: post #131
lolinder wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Latin was dead long before it stopped being used in written works. It died when it stopped being spoken and stopped changing. I don't know if Fortran would be considered dead by the "no longer adapting" definition, but that it's still in use isn't proof it's alive.

Quid?!

I don’t think that works (which kind of proves the grandparent’s point). The appropriate interjection would probably be one of the following:

Ecce?! Hui?! Vah?!

Re: Fortran.io – a Fortran Web Framework

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Post by greglindahl »

LoreleiPenn wrote: post #145

Wow. This sounds intense and interesting. However I will stick to C++ but it is great to see power languages up and ready for new generations of hardware, software and people.

Once nice thing about Fortran's evolution is that when you lag behind the bleeding edge, you make fewer mistakes. If you like C++ that's great; you might notice that everyone else doesn't agree that it's the future.

Re: Fortran.io – a Fortran Web Framework

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Post by greglindahl »

umvi wrote: post #72
yingw787 wrote: post #43

Google has this thing called “Testing on the Toilet” where they post factoids about Google’s codebase and best practices. I read one and it said FORTRAN is a highly secure language (or there haven’t been any security vulnerabilities found in the language in a while). Devil’s advocate for not writing FORTRAN off completely at first sight.

Or is it just because no one uses it? Apple used to run ad campaigns about how Macs were immune to viruses and therefore highly secure. Turns out enough people just weren't using Mac, and viruses started popping up once it went mainstream.

There are entire scientific fields where Fortran is extremely popular. But mostly not ones that involve easy insecurities.

Re: Fortran.io – a Fortran Web Framework

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Post by greglindahl »

vanderZwan wrote: post #33
6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #22

Fortran actually isn't a static language. It's evolved over time. The last significant revision according to wikipedia is just over a year old. The beauty and horror of it probably depends which era of it you're looking at.

IIRC, most people who use Fortran use it because there are extremely specialized physics libraries (or astronomy, or chemistry, and so on) that were probably written three to four decades ago by an extremely intelligent PhD student who lacks a proper programming background. Which suggests that the biggest source of horror would be that most code you'll come across was written by a non-programmer who is intelligent en…

I like it when some of my colleagues use Fortran, because their code in other languages is even more horrible.

BTW, the 'non-programmer' you seem to not think much of probably used an RPN calculator. Food for thought.

Re: Fortran.io – a Fortran Web Framework

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Post by teruakohatu »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #61
favorited wrote: post #50

It's definitely not a dead language – a new Fortran front-end has recently been accepted into the LLVM project, joining Clang. So LLVM's only in-tree supported languages (excluding the various IRs) will be C, C++, Objective-C, and Fortran. It had been scheduled for merge into the LLVM monorepo 2 days ago, but has been delayed pending some additional architecture review.

Lots of number crunching code relies on Fortran libraries even today. Install numpy, it will pull in Fortran stuff.

I sometimes think R is just a fronted for Fortran. For the packages I install I always seem to be waiting for Fortran code to compile.

Re: Fortran.io – a Fortran Web Framework

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Post by favorited »

greglindahl wrote: post #152
akiselev wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Latin was in use by the Church well into the 20th century, until the Second Vatican Council in 1962.

That didn't end Latin being used by the Church.

Correct. It is still the language used for official documents by the Holy See (though it is not the official language of the Vatican).

That said, Latin was certainly considered a dead language before Vatican II.

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