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Acetaminophen and the War on Drugs (2009)

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Re: Acetaminophen and the War on Drugs (2009)

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Post by defen »

ojbyrne wrote: post #5

So total aside, inspired by the mention of denatured alcohol. How come you can buy bitters, which are up to 50% alcohol (i.e. 100 proof), without having to be of legal age?

During prohibition, certain bitters were legal because they were considered "nonpotable". Angostura falls under this category, whereas something like Campari or Fernet Branca would be considered potable. Basically they didn't think anyone would be able to drink enough to get drunk from it. I assume a similar logic applies today.

Re: Acetaminophen and the War on Drugs (2009)

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Post by Alex3917 »

blhack wrote: post #10
j_baker wrote: post #2

It's worth pointing out that the FDA has since voted to reduce the levels of acetaminophen in vicodin. http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=12607415

Maybe I'm just in a strange mood, but that is one of the most bizzare statements (with context) that I've ever heard. It's like something directly out of George Orwell. "Party officials recently voted to approve a measure that would decrease the amount of poison included in medicine." ahem "New techniques developed by party scientists have caused medicinal purities to reach an all time high!"

"Your weekly chocolate rations have been increased from 100 grams to 80 grams."

It's actually even more accurate than you might think, because APAP works by acting on the endocannabinoid system. Essentially acetaminophen works exactly the same as weed, the only difference between tylenol and weed is that one kills several thousand Americans per year and the other kills zero. Well actually there is one more difference: weed actually works amazingly well as an analgesic, whereas tylenol doesn't do anything. (Except kill people.)

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=ArticleURL&_udi...

Re: Acetaminophen and the War on Drugs (2009)

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Post by MichaelGG »

InclinedPlane wrote: post #7

A bit like shooting someone who is attempting suicide. Prohibition v. 2 has proven to be just as disastrous as v. 1, when will there finally be enough political momentum behind ending it?

Not quite. It's more like shooting anyone crossing a bridge, would it be to get to a hospital, sightseeing, or bungee jumping off it.

Re: Acetaminophen and the War on Drugs (2009)

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Post by SoftwareMaven »

code_duck wrote: post #9

One alternative he doesn't mention is Vicoprofen, which contains ibuprofen rather than acetaminophen.

So you can strip the lining in your stomach and intestinal track instead of blowing your liver. The article is correct: there is no value in adding anything to the hydrocodone and many possible down-sides.

Re: Acetaminophen and the War on Drugs (2009)

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Post by tokenadult »

Alex3917 wrote: post #12
blhack wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm just in a strange mood, but that is one of the most bizzare statements (with context) that I've ever heard. It's like something directly out of George Orwell. "Party officials recently voted to approve a measure that would decrease the amount of poison included in medicine." ahem "New techniques developed by party scientists have caused medicinal purities to reach an all time high!"

"Your weekly chocolate rations have been increased from 100 grams to 80 grams." It's actually even more accurate than you might think, because APAP works by acting on the endocannabinoid system. Essentially acetaminophen works exactly the same as weed, the only difference between tylenol and weed is that one kills several thousand Americans per year and the other kills zero. Well actually there is one more difference…

Your statements about weed are very likely exaggerated in one direction, while the statements about acetaminophen are exaggerated in another. The cited journal article does not give full backup to the statements in your post.

Re: Acetaminophen and the War on Drugs (2009)

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Post by blhack »

Alex3917 wrote: post #12
blhack wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe I'm just in a strange mood, but that is one of the most bizzare statements (with context) that I've ever heard. It's like something directly out of George Orwell. "Party officials recently voted to approve a measure that would decrease the amount of poison included in medicine." ahem "New techniques developed by party scientists have caused medicinal purities to reach an all time high!"

"Your weekly chocolate rations have been increased from 100 grams to 80 grams." It's actually even more accurate than you might think, because APAP works by acting on the endocannabinoid system. Essentially acetaminophen works exactly the same as weed, the only difference between tylenol and weed is that one kills several thousand Americans per year and the other kills zero. Well actually there is one more difference…

"Increased from a measly .1 kilgrams to a full 80 grams!"

Re: Acetaminophen and the War on Drugs (2009)

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Post by Alex3917 »

tokenadult wrote: post #16
Alex3917 wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Your weekly chocolate rations have been increased from 100 grams to 80 grams." It's actually even more accurate than you might think, because APAP works by acting on the endocannabinoid system. Essentially acetaminophen works exactly the same as weed, the only difference between tylenol and weed is that one kills several thousand Americans per year and the other kills zero. Well actually there is one more difference…

Your statements about weed are very likely exaggerated in one direction, while the statements about acetaminophen are exaggerated in another. The cited journal article does not give full backup to the statements in your post.

From Wikipedia:

"Paracetamol also modulates the endogenous cannabinoid system.[44] Paracetamol is metabolized to AM404, a compound with several actions; most importantly, it inhibits the uptake of the endogenous cannabinoid/vanilloid anandamide by neurons. Anandamide uptake would result in the activation of the main pain receptor (nociceptor) of the body, the TRPV1 (older name: vanilloid receptor). Furthermore, AM404 inhibits sodium channels, as do the anesthetics lidocaine and procaine.[45] Either of these actions by themselves has been shown to reduce pain, and are a possible mechanism for paracetamol. However, it has been demonstrated that, after blocking cannabinoid receptors with synthetic antagonists, paracetamol's analgesic effects are prevented, suggesting its pain-relieving action involves activation of the endogenous cannabinoid system.[46]"

And as I have posted before, marijuana is an anxiolytic, anti-inflammatory, anti-angiogenic, anti-viral, antibacterial, neuroprotective, and pro-neurogenesis. It's down the most important of any drug there is. Plus it increases your IQ by an average of 6 points, decreases your diabetes risk by 66%, and can be used to treat everything from Parkinson's to cancer. There is even some research suggesting that up to 50% of all infant mortality may be the result of marijuana deficiency.

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1979857

http://www.matrixmasters.net/salon/?p=258

http://www.mediafire.com/?4s8s6w9bwpmg24u

http://www.safeaccessnow.org/section.php?id=125

http://norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=7002

http://www.matrixmasters.net/salon/?p=153

http://www.matrixmasters.net/blogs/?p=212

Re: Acetaminophen and the War on Drugs (2009)

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Post by cynicalkane »

Alex3917 wrote: post #6
MichaelGG wrote: post #3

The sillier part of adding acetaminophen to hydrocodone and other opiates is that it's easy to remove the acetaminophen via cold water extraction. Thus, anyone looking to seriously abuse Vicodin can avoid the damage with just a bit of work.

Exactly. Anyone who wants to abuse opiates can do a simple cold water extraction to almost completely remove the acetaminophen in less than five minutes, or else they can potentiate them using the techniques here so they only need a tiny dosage: http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=305596 What this means is that the vast majority of those dying are those using these drugs for legitimate medical problem…

they're just propaganda to support what is essentially a government campaign to poison the elderly and chronic pain patients.

The government is trying to murder the elderly with drug programs? This is almost a Godwin, but much more silly.

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