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"The Crisis of the Modern World" by René Guénon (1927), French mathematician and metaphysicist.

Quoting Wikipedia, this book describes the "intellectual divide" between the East and West, and the peculiar nature, according to him, of modern civilization." [1]

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren%C3%A9_Gu%C3%A9non

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Not exactly a book, Assessing and Strengthening the Manufacturing and Defense Industrial Base and Supply Chain Resiliency of the United States . (1) It raises some concerns that folks in this forum are probably interested in and could do something about. Things like forcing US companies doing business in China to transfer dual-use technologies, the lack of US suppliers for certain goods, like high tenacity polyester…

It's interesting that all of this is only a problem if China is indeed an/the enemy. In fact mutual dependence is one of the key elements of Europe's narrative since WW2 - "if we all exchange and trade we will not make war against each other." On the one hand not surprising that a War/Defense-Ministry funded documentary has this underlying premise of 'China is the enemy'. On the other hand we should really wonder: wh…

If you want to know if China is an enemy look at what they do to their own people. That's their own people. What do you think they have in mind for everyone else? Is this a regime that cares about human rights or the rights of the individual? They're like the Kings of every Kingdom before the 18th century, i.e. I rule for the Greater Good, which I define in my terms.

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When did China ever invade the United States? Or any other distant western country? Is this the great fear of white Americans? That the Chinese would load a billion soldiers on an aircraft carrier and invade the shores of Seattle, San Francisco, and Los Angeles? Does China even have an aircraft carrier that can cross the Pacific? This must surely be the plot of a bad B movie, and starring Ben Affleck.

> Is this the great fear of white Americans? That the Chinese would load a billion soldiers on an aircraft carrier and invade the shores of Seattle, San Francisco, and Los Angeles? Does China even have an aircraft carrier that can cross the Pacific? Hollowing out US institutions by replacing them with PRC puppets and shell corporations is just as worthwhile to defend against as any invasion would be. If I remember co…

No, no, this is not the great fear. The great fear of all people in Democracies is China will create a virus or pathogen which targets non-Chinese peoples everywhere.

Since you asked.

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Ariel Rubinstein - Economic Fables. For everyone who is interested in an intuitive and (self-)critical perspective on economic theory. The PDF version is available for free on Rubinstein's personal web page, but requires you to provide your email address: http://arielrubinstein.tau.ac.il/books.html

Call me dumb all you want, I can't figure out how to download any of the books

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You should read "The Dictator's Handbook". Dictators may be driven to externally irrational behavior by what appear internally to be an entirely rational chain of decisions. And I mean rational in the Homo economus sense of the word. https://www.amazon.com/Dictators-Handbook-Behavior-Almost-Po...

Thanks I'll check it out. Sounds similar to the tragedy of the commons where the opposite phenomenon is in affect. Rational decisions made by individual actors when measured in aggregate become irrational. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/162/3859/1243

More about Hardin's essay:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/the-tragedy-of-t...

> The Tragedy of the Tragedy of the Commons The man who wrote one of environmentalism’s most-cited essays was a racist, eugenicist, nativist and Islamaphobe—plus his argument was wrong

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That book is very widely known.

Apologies

No need to apologize. You were right in one way. It was an unknown book for many years until it somehow got rediscovered and turned into what many regard as a classic.

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Thanks I'll check it out. Sounds similar to the tragedy of the commons where the opposite phenomenon is in affect. Rational decisions made by individual actors when measured in aggregate become irrational. https://science.sciencemag.org/content/162/3859/1243

More about Hardin's essay: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/the-tragedy-of-t... > The Tragedy of the Tragedy of the Commons The man who wrote one of environmentalism’s most-cited essays was a racist, eugenicist, nativist and Islamaphobe—plus his argument was wrong

Hardin's thesis has nothing to do with his character. Please comment on the thesis and try to seperate facts away from the personality of the person saying it. As vile as this sounds, a person being racist does not automatically make all his observations false, it does not mean anything.

Either way, his essay is largely cited in academia from political science to anthropology. A blog post illustrating some factual anomalies (which in turn can also be debatable) does not render the heart of his essay wrong.

It's good to know the background of the author of an essay, but it is bad form and borderline propaganda to use that to discount an insightful observation about the world as we know it.

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More about Hardin's essay: https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/voices/the-tragedy-of-t... > The Tragedy of the Tragedy of the Commons The man who wrote one of environmentalism’s most-cited essays was a racist, eugenicist, nativist and Islamaphobe—plus his argument was wrong

Hardin's thesis has nothing to do with his character. Please comment on the thesis and try to seperate facts away from the personality of the person saying it. As vile as this sounds, a person being racist does not automatically make all his observations false, it does not mean anything. Either way, his essay is largely cited in academia from political science to anthropology. A blog post illustrating some factual an…

People reference the essay, and in so doing they are referencing the whole essay, including the nasty parts.

People doing this need to be aware of that; I suspect many are not.

Being cited doesn't make anything true, so I'm not sure what that has to do with it being correct or not.

There does exist scholarly work disputing Hardin's conjecture. For example, the work of Elinor Ostrom of Indiana University.

"Ostrom received the 2009 Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences for her groundbreaking research demonstrating that ordinary people are capable of creating rules and institutions that allow for the sustainable and equitable management of shared resources. She shared the prize with Oliver Williamson, a University of California economist."

http://elinorostrom.indiana.edu/

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Hardin's thesis has nothing to do with his character. Please comment on the thesis and try to seperate facts away from the personality of the person saying it. As vile as this sounds, a person being racist does not automatically make all his observations false, it does not mean anything. Either way, his essay is largely cited in academia from political science to anthropology. A blog post illustrating some factual an…

People reference the essay, and in so doing they are referencing the whole essay, including the nasty parts. People doing this need to be aware of that; I suspect many are not. Being cited doesn't make anything true, so I'm not sure what that has to do with it being correct or not. There does exist scholarly work disputing Hardin's conjecture. For example, the work of Elinor Ostrom of Indiana University. "Ostrom rece…

>Being cited doesn't make anything true, so I'm not sure what that has to do with it being correct or not.

Being cited lends more legitimacy to it being true. Think of it like a vote. One person cited it because he thinks it's true. A vote from academia is worth more than a vote from a popular science magazine.

>"Ostrom received the 2009 Nobel Prize in Economic Sciences for her groundbreaking research demonstrating that ordinary people are capable of creating rules and institutions that allow for the sustainable and equitable management of shared resources. She shared the prize with Oliver Williamson, a University of California economist."

I think you missed the point. No one is saying that humans can't change their behavior. The article is describing a phenomenon that happens when people act rationally in a certain context. Of course with higher level knowledge of higher level contexts like how shared commons can be destroyed with rational individualistic behavior people can change.

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I happen to have almost all of his ufology books including "Passport to Magonia" and you're right that he covers those subjects, but he doesn't claim it's a collective psyche phenomenon. Instead he argues that it has elements of this but guided by an external control system, which is itself part of some, for lack of a better word coming to my mind right now, extradimensional intelligence (he never makes this specific…

How does he come to the conclusion that it's an external controlling system rather than just cultural iconography and individual psychology?

Essnetially (and i'm really boiling it down here) he argues two main points and connects them to form that conclusion: First, that the wider phenomenon clearly shows evidence of being a tangible thing with highly varied but in certain ways similar physical manifestations across an enormous span of human history. This is a thing which weakens the probability of it merely being iconography based on individual psychology or myth making.

Secondly, this being the case, those widespread, long-running physical manifestations indicate something more subtle than mere UFO visits that only began during recent history.

Ergo, we're looking at something external, at least partially physical and because it has affected our belief systems and legends, and thus quite possibly a sort of control system. (This last one is a bit more of a leap but the first two main arguments are covered fairly well in his books).

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