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Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by iamnothere »

cyorir wrote: post #137
iamnothere wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I challenge you to find a single journalist who isn't "lying by omission". Even the most ethical journalist in the world would have limited time, a limited network of sources, a reader base that prefers coverage of specific issues, and personal interests that drive the direction of their reporting. From my perspective, accurate reporting on a limited set of issues is much preferred over "truthy" reporting on a broade…

> I challenge you to find a single journalist who isn't "lying by omission". If we're issuing challenges, then I challenge you to prove that every single journalist IS lying by omission. A lie by omission is intentionally leaving out facts to misrepresent the truth. Another way to describe it is that a lie by omission is the cherry-picking of facts. This differs from providing a limited subset of the facts for other…

All right, well if you want to use a reasonable definition of lying by omission then I agree with your premise that most journalists are not lying by omission. I would extend that to say that Greenwald also does not lie by omission. He has his beat, he covers it well, and he has been good about accuracy.

Edit: That's not to say that he's completely unbiased (especially on Twitter), he is human after all. But generally I have been very happy with his reporting, especially since he dares to report on subjects that other parts of the media ignore completely.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by wallace_f »

moralsupply wrote: post #142
coliveira wrote: post #140

The goal of this persecution is not necessarily to jail Glenn Greenwald. What they want is to muddle the discourse and to discredit the journalists involved in this reporting. Let's remember that the group of prosecutors in question are supporters of the current government and the ex-judge is now the justice minister, a position he occupied just after releasing "dirt" on the government opponents to facilitate the pre…

> a position he occupied just after releasing "dirt" on the government opponents to facilitate the presidential election That judge went after one of the largest corruption scandals of our age. There's no evidence he did so in order to acquire a political position: at the heyday of the prosecutions against the workers party, the current president (who made the judge one of his ministers) wasn't even widely known by t…

Is attacking Grewnwald's character relevant here?

Anyways, if it is, Greenwald has been one of the most outspoken critics of many aspects of the Russiagate accusations against Trump(1); and in consideration of your aforementioned "liberal agenda" of his, it hardly makes any sense at all to label him on this hand a Trump defender--as he has been accused of--and on the other a 'liberal commie.'

1-https://theintercept.com/2019/01/20/beyond-buzzfeed-the-10-w...

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by 0xy »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #110
rhino369 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Foreign interference is a big deal and shouldn't be overlooked. But I just don't think its plausible that the identified Russian activities swung the election. The Russian fake news trolls were a drop in the ocean of social media/news. The russia spend on facebook was 0.05 percent of the candidates (not even going to mention the free posting by individual supporters). FB estimated that 1 out of ~20 thousand pieces of…

Pointing to the amount spent and then declaring it impossible Russia swung the election is an extremely questionable argument coming from a user of this site. User targeting is the X-factor for facebook advertising; no one on this website believes that any X dollars spent on advertising is equivalent to any other X dollars spent. The fact that Russia microtargeted swing voters and voters in key states, and with the h…

Would you accuse other campaigns of swinging the election for using similar tactics? For example in Obama's 2012 campaign his online organizing director admitted to micro-targeting, harvesting of friends lists (and admitting the users of their app probably didn't know this, and it's now against FB ToS). [1]

This same person recently founded a company that publicly boasted its tech could "sway" the 2020 election. [2]

[1] https://www.npr.org/2018/03/25/596805347/how-does-cambridge-...

[2] https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/01/higher-ground-labs/

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by boomboomsubban »

stanferder wrote: post #132
snowwrestler wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Russians definitely found a flaw in the way the U.S. works with political information today, and exploited it for a big effect. And I don't think that flaw is fixed as we head into this election. So, I agree with Greenwald that a broken media environment made it possible. But I disagree with him that that casts doubt on Russian involvement, or invalidates Russian activity as a topic of national concern.

Did Greenwald ever say he doubts Russian involvement? I know he on the side of "Trump didn't conspire" and feels that the rest of the media is mishandling the matter, but I don't think he's ever disputed the actual meddling. (Correct me if I'm wrong; if he's actually disputing the existence of the meddling he'd go down a few notches in my esteem).

Greenwald wanted evidence presented of the meddling, but that it was something the US and Russia both regularly do.

https://medium.com/@ggreenwald/statements-about-possibility-...

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by hidhifjjf »

dang wrote: post #80
thescriptkiddie wrote: post #51

There is a disturbing level of pro Bolsonaro astroturfing going on in here. Don't be deceived, Greenwald is a political prisoner.

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Definitely a lie.

There's been clear evidence of AstroTurf in the past and HN continues to pretend it doesn't happen.

Stop lying.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by alasdair_ »

moralsupply wrote: post #142
coliveira wrote: post #140

The goal of this persecution is not necessarily to jail Glenn Greenwald. What they want is to muddle the discourse and to discredit the journalists involved in this reporting. Let's remember that the group of prosecutors in question are supporters of the current government and the ex-judge is now the justice minister, a position he occupied just after releasing "dirt" on the government opponents to facilitate the pre…

> a position he occupied just after releasing "dirt" on the government opponents to facilitate the presidential election That judge went after one of the largest corruption scandals of our age. There's no evidence he did so in order to acquire a political position: at the heyday of the prosecutions against the workers party, the current president (who made the judge one of his ministers) wasn't even widely known by t…

>It's hard to argue that Greenwald was exposing some sort of manipulation by the judicial system.

It's not hard to argue at all - it's exactly what he did.

The leaked texts make it clear that the prosecutor's office and the judge (Moro) had clear political motivations for taking down the front-running candidate in the last election and that they abused their powers to do so.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by alasdair_ »

moralsupply wrote: post #147
zorked wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He exposed evidence of criminal behavior by a judge that was trying to conceal his activities which are subject to public scrutiny via using his personal phone. What a judge does in the course of his work is not his own personal property.

Actually, he didn't expose any criminal evidence. After all is said and done, nothing found in the conversations he [ilegally] acquired that demonstrates wrongdoing by the judge.

>nothing found in the conversations he [ilegally] acquired that demonstrates wrongdoing by the judge.

"In the files, conversations between lead prosecutor Deltan Dallagnol and then-presiding Judge Sergio Moro reveal that Moro offered strategic advice to prosecutors and passed on tips for new avenues of investigation. With these actions, Moro grossly overstepped the ethical lines that define the role of a judge. In Brazil, as in the United States, judges are required to be impartial and neutral, and are barred from secretly collaborating with one side in a case."

(https://theintercept.com/2019/06/09/brazil-lula-operation-ca...)

Are you claiming these conversations never happened?

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by piadodjanho »

neves wrote: post #119
zweep wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are legal protections in the US for journalists that don't exist de facto or de jure in many other countries.

It is in Brazilian Constitution that explicitly states that journalists can protect their sources. It is political persecution.

Ironically, he Intercept published conversations from another news site with their source. They use the argument "the law protects the secret of the source", yet reveal others sources.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by hackinthebochs »

0xy wrote: post #153
hackinthebochs wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pointing to the amount spent and then declaring it impossible Russia swung the election is an extremely questionable argument coming from a user of this site. User targeting is the X-factor for facebook advertising; no one on this website believes that any X dollars spent on advertising is equivalent to any other X dollars spent. The fact that Russia microtargeted swing voters and voters in key states, and with the h…

Would you accuse other campaigns of swinging the election for using similar tactics? For example in Obama's 2012 campaign his online organizing director admitted to micro-targeting, harvesting of friends lists (and admitting the users of their app probably didn't know this, and it's now against FB ToS). [1] This same person recently founded a company that publicly boasted its tech could "sway" the 2020 election. [2]…

A strange reply considering the context. The moral judgment in the subtext of my comment isn't on swaying the election, its on foreign nation. The candidates and their agents are legitimately looking to sway the election in their favor. That's what campaigning is. That Obama's activities were in an effort to sway the election in his favor is an uninteresting point.
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