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Jeff Bezos's phone 'hacked by Saudi crown prince'

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Re: Jeff Bezos's phone 'hacked by Saudi crown prince'

#61

Let's assume this is how Bezos's phone was hacked for a second, does anyone think Trump would do anything about it? Sanction Saudia Arabia? Trump didn't lift a finger after the Jamal Khashoggi killing and his son-in-law is deep in various business dealings with MBS and his goons. Hell, Trump is probably happy the Saudis are hacking the phone of his perceived "enemy".

What do you want Trump to do?

Re: Jeff Bezos's phone 'hacked by Saudi crown prince'

#62
Pavel Durov argued that WhatsApp's vulnerabilities are intentionally created as part of surveillance programs with government agencies. [1]

If that were true, Bezos's case would be an example of how that approach to security is double-edged. Backdoors can be just as useful to foreign intelligence as they are to whoever pushed for their implementation.

[1] https://t.me/s/durov/109

Re: Jeff Bezos's phone 'hacked by Saudi crown prince'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn't be that surprising. Zero days are available to the highest bidder and Saudi princes have deep pockets.

Honest question. Given that RCE's are extremely rare, can't FB and AAPL announce 100M USD bounty to get them first and patch them, avoiding bad PR and brand impact? Damn, make it 200M?! Or bad actors can easily pay 5x more to exploit said 0 day on a few targets, so hackers will sell to them instead?

The actual prices are in the $100k-$200k range. $1m if you are extremely generous.

Re: Jeff Bezos's phone 'hacked by Saudi crown prince'

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the time, FB said it didn't believe the bug had been exploited: In this instance there is no reason to believe users were impacted. [0] The alleged hack of Bezos happened in May 2018, about 18 months after the Nov 2019 bug fix. I wonder if FB's statement was just boilerplate PR or if they really did substantial forensics to have "no reason to believe users were impacted". [0] https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2019/…

Anecdotal, but a lot of times phrases similar to that are used because the real answer is "We don't have any way of knowing if users were actually impacted" and it's obviously far better for PR to phrase it that way.

It does sound better but here's the thing: this is Jeff Bezos. He's one of the most high-profile people on the planet. If his phone was hacked through WhatsApp, he clearly filed a complaint and told them what had happened. They just didn't manage to patch it for over a year and then stated they 'had no way of knowing' even though this clearly proves it happened.

Re: Jeff Bezos's phone 'hacked by Saudi crown prince'

#66
OK, so I'm just a random anonymous coward. And arguably obsessed with my hobby.

But I'm puzzled that Bezos would be corresponding with MBS on the same device that he uses for potentially embarrassing personal stuff. Isn't that just a totally obvious OPSEC fail?

Edit: But that's what he did, isn't it?

And how could that be considered safe?

Re: Jeff Bezos's phone 'hacked by Saudi crown prince'

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post #27

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Where's the Feds on this? I don't find it comforting that attacks happening on the US's free press go unanswered by law enforcement. We should be indicting MBS.

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All the facts above are correct. The opinion at the end seems pretty reasonable given things like this:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/14/17233680/trump-amazon-bez...

Re: Jeff Bezos's phone 'hacked by Saudi crown prince'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess Khashoggi must have really annoyed MBS. This has now cost the Saudis at least ten times as much goodwill as all anti-Saudi editorials in the Post and everywhere else together. That, or it was a favour to MBS American friends. The other people involved (David Pecker et al) and MBS do share a few friends in the White House, who also seem obsessed with the Washington Post and Bezos himself.

Khashoggi wrote for the Washington Post, so it wouldn’t be a favor for Trump. It would be consistent with his own motivations for murdering Khashoggi.

Great theory, except for the fact David Pecker was directly involved and more or less admitted it was a favor for Trump which he had been doing for decades.

Re: Jeff Bezos's phone 'hacked by Saudi crown prince'

#70

One thing which this article doesn't address at all, is what is the beef between MBS and Bezos? Why would the Saudi prince leak this data? How did Amazon upset him?

I think MBS has a beef with the Washington Post (also owned by Bezos), not Amazon. It also fits with the murder of Khashoggi, a WaPo journalist.
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