I don't know how this would make sense from an evolutionary perspective - once you kill and eat something you want to rest and recover, not assimilate the stress and give yourself anxiety so that you don't recover after the meal.
Stress hormones in our diet may be a missing link between food and wellness
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#12> In plants, the predominant stress hormone is ethylene. Wikipedia: "During the life of the plant, ethylene production is induced during certain stages of growth such as germination, ripening of fruits, abscission of leaves, and senescence of flowers." Ethylene the main way to ripen fruits, on the vine or after-the-fact. > ethylene, a plant stress hormone known to trigger stress responses in microbiomes, including in…
I never cease to wonder if articles like this are incredibly cleverly put together, or incredibly stupid.
I feel like it would take me so much effort to string together these unrelated things and try to present them in a faux-scientific manner, with such succinct certainty, in the way this article does.
Like how they smartly concede that they're waiting for answers, ... and then they quickly breeze through making a bunch of connections, with references that don't back up what they're saying, as if these are all just 'known' things. It's kinda clever, and I would expect a lot of people to be fooled.
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#13Apparently, my initial response below was too terse and insensitive - though it may be how I really feel after reading that. It seems unscientific to me, its an opinion piece pitched as common sense. And its coming from someone that is looking to 'transform the way you think'. The approach strikes me as offensive. _________________________________________________________ Hocus Pocus, I said its true! "Changing lives…
Please don't post like this to HN. You may not owe the Yun Foundation better, but you owe the community better if you're participating in it.
Would you mind reviewing the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html)? Note these ones:
"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize."
"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."
Re: Stress hormones in our diet may be a missing link between food and wellness
#14> In plants, the predominant stress hormone is ethylene. Wikipedia: "During the life of the plant, ethylene production is induced during certain stages of growth such as germination, ripening of fruits, abscission of leaves, and senescence of flowers." Ethylene the main way to ripen fruits, on the vine or after-the-fact. > ethylene, a plant stress hormone known to trigger stress responses in microbiomes, including in…
Wait... doesn't low blood levels of cortisol also indicates that the body doesn't react to stress like it should ? Like in the Selye model, when the body just gives up and doesn't react anymore (but still suffers the consequences: high blood pressure, muscular stress, etc.).
Stress causes cortisol to increase, but long-term chronic stress can result in low cortisol, and this happens in PTSD, burnout, CFS and other conditions. Factors include time since onset, nature of the threat, emotions elicted by the stressor, controllability of the stressor, and the psychiatric characteristics of the person.
https://cpb-us-e1.wpmucdn.com/sites.northwestern.edu/dist/0/...
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#15> In plants, the predominant stress hormone is ethylene. Wikipedia: "During the life of the plant, ethylene production is induced during certain stages of growth such as germination, ripening of fruits, abscission of leaves, and senescence of flowers." Ethylene the main way to ripen fruits, on the vine or after-the-fact. > ethylene, a plant stress hormone known to trigger stress responses in microbiomes, including in…
If the pigs‘ bodies turned down their own cortisol production, I would assume that their endocrine system considered the level as too high, or it wouldn’t compensate. Cortisol has its place, but it‘s timed (usually with a spike at around 6AM, and after exercise) and excess can lead to bad sleep quality and worse. Low cortisol also does not at all mean that stress is low within cells. If you put a strain on e.g energy production within mitochondria, you will get a lot of cellular stress (accumulating nitric oxide) that is not directly related to cortisol. Cytokines would be another factor - stress leads to inflammation. There might be enough cortisol around in those pigs to suppress inflammation, but it doesn’t mean they are low on stress.
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#16Are we supposed to believe that the wild animals our ancestors hunted were not consistently under stress? I think living in the food chain pretty much ensures experiences of stress. Both of hunger and the threat of being food for something else.
Do some people think nature before modern human agriculture was a happy go lucky place where the creatures experienced little or no adversity? Hope not!
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#17Are we supposed to believe that the wild animals our ancestors hunted were not consistently under stress? I think living in the food chain pretty much ensures experiences of stress. Both of hunger and the threat of being food for something else. Do some people think nature before modern human agriculture was a happy go lucky place where the creatures experienced little or no adversity? Hope not!
I'm sure being a wild animal means some level of stress. I'm also sure it is nothing compared to the deplorable conditions in which factory farm animals are raised.
Your comparison feels like talking about soldiers with PTSD and then saying "all humans have jobs and deadlines and they depend on these for their livelihood! All humans have stress, how are soldiers different?"
I have no desire to look for images of how disgusting the living conditions and lives of these animals are in an attempt to prove this, but you are welcome to. There is no doubt in my mind it is far worse than their state in the wild. (I'm not defending the "article" or its findings, just saying that we as a society do terrible things to animals we plan to eat).
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#18This would have interesting implications for folklore common in some East Asian countries, particularly China, where meat flavor is "enhanced" by animal suffering at time of death. I must say the practices are abhorrent - particularly regarding the slaughter of intelligent, sensitive animals like dogs and pigs.
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#19Are we supposed to believe that the wild animals our ancestors hunted were not consistently under stress? I think living in the food chain pretty much ensures experiences of stress. Both of hunger and the threat of being food for something else. Do some people think nature before modern human agriculture was a happy go lucky place where the creatures experienced little or no adversity? Hope not!
Animals living in nature are typically well adjusted to the stresses they experience. Their stress levels return back to normal quickly after a dangerous situation.
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#20> In plants, the predominant stress hormone is ethylene. Wikipedia: "During the life of the plant, ethylene production is induced during certain stages of growth such as germination, ripening of fruits, abscission of leaves, and senescence of flowers." Ethylene the main way to ripen fruits, on the vine or after-the-fact. > ethylene, a plant stress hormone known to trigger stress responses in microbiomes, including in…
I never cease to wonder if articles like this are incredibly cleverly put together, or incredibly stupid. I feel like it would take me so much effort to string together these unrelated things and try to present them in a faux-scientific manner, with such succinct certainty, in the way this article does. Like how they smartly concede that they're waiting for answers, ... and then they quickly breeze through making a b…
I'd say it's something more like fortune telling. Based on scant clues, string together a story which seems meaningful. There's a skill in taking advantage of human intuition to grab attention, with a spectrum of how aware you are if what you're actually doing.