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Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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Cloudflare is also making TOR quite useless.

CF has nothing to do with that, website operators can choose to blacklist Tor exit nodes regardless of whether they use CF. Many of them do, because Tor is such a massive source of malicious traffic. It sucks, but it's not CF's fault.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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I don't know the specifics on this, could you elaborate?

Half the websites I visit give me the CloudFlare screen like One more step Please complete the security check to access . Followed by either endless stream of ReCaptchas or one completely impossible.

Doesn't the Tor browser now come with PrivacyPass by default?

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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I don't see anyone here mentioning this, so I will. CloudFlare supports PrivacyPass, a third-party, privacy-preserving way to do proof-of-work for websites. Basically, you do some small amount of CPU work and get 30 tickets your browser can transparently redeem for access to a site.

That's a pretty clever way to both deter bad actors and ensure legitimate users get uninterrupted access to websites.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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I really wish you could just directly pay for services. A hundredth of a cent per visit would make most abuse un-profitable while still allowing very affordable procrastination.

(1) totally agree re money being an answer here, (2) not sure it solves DDOS mitigation, especially if you're giving away a free preview

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

#125
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Any sufficiently bad actor will already modify their user agent. Who is this really stopping?

Same argument could be said for gun control.

Perhaps it could, but how is that helping the conversation? I feel like all this statement does is dragging a preexisting (generally heated) topic into the conversation.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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Yeah, you can't really talk about downsides of Recaptcha/Cloudflare without also acknowledging the extreme amount of malicious actors and abuse on the internet. We're in a "this is why we can't have nice things" predicament and you have malicious actors to thank for that, yet most people on HN only seem capable of attacking the few affordable solutions to that problem. I'm even down with the theory that Cloudflare is…

The problem is that the narrative has been poisoned by Cloudflare and Google (for Recaptcha) - they both overstate the size of the problem, as well as the effectiveness of their solution. In other words: when someone demands "real solutions", they're typically expecting a degree of solution that quite likely just does not exist at all, to solve a problem that isn't as severe as people believe, just because that's the…

If I care deeply about my site staying up, a solution that’s perfectly adequate for the vast majority of cases isn’t sufficient. I don’t want to end up in the mirror image of the original author’s situation, where my site randomly falls down and I have no way to figure out what’s wrong or fix it.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

#127

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Yeah, you can't really talk about downsides of Recaptcha/Cloudflare without also acknowledging the extreme amount of malicious actors and abuse on the internet. We're in a "this is why we can't have nice things" predicament and you have malicious actors to thank for that, yet most people on HN only seem capable of attacking the few affordable solutions to that problem. I'm even down with the theory that Cloudflare is…

The problem is that the narrative has been poisoned by Cloudflare and Google (for Recaptcha) - they both overstate the size of the problem, as well as the effectiveness of their solution. In other words: when someone demands "real solutions", they're typically expecting a degree of solution that quite likely just does not exist at all, to solve a problem that isn't as severe as people believe, just because that's the…

I think you're confusing what you wish was true with what is actually true. For instance, here was a post from a few weeks ago about how one annoyed user was able to take down a Mastodon instance until the admin gave up and put it behind CF: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21719793. Bear in mind, if you're running a Mastodon instance, you're probably well-aware of the downsides of centralization and would only give in as a last resort.

CF has problems, but pretending it isn't solving a real issue that is nearly impossible to fix otherwise, especially for individual admins running a side project, doesn't help anybody.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

#128

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Yeah, because most custom browsers are malicious. They have the data to prove it. This isn't a side feature, it's a direct feature that is 100% intentional. They maintain a backend whitelist of known "good" user-agents. Curl is on that list and there are a few others outside of the big players. Most people building custom browsers are doing it to do something Chrome would disallow. One instance would only supporting…

Why doesn’t the bad actor fork Chromium or Firefox?

Fork? Everything you need can typically be done with instrumentation. Colleagues of mine do this sort of thing (on the request of the company they're targeting). The browser is headless, but still a full browser with a common resolution and everything, and is (virtually? completely?) indistinguishable.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

#129

Cloudflare blocks an enormous number of bad actors for me, so I quite like it.

I'm curious about the specifics because through my and my colleagues' simulation of "bad actors" (ethical hacking) I've never once gotten stopped by CF.

I thought the point was anti-DDoS by just proxying your traffic through someone with bigger pipes. That they do TLS offloading to filter n-days like Heartbleed helps as well of course, but those are super rare events and it sounds like what you mean is ongoing.

What kind of bad actors do you mean, and what kind of sites? Don't have to mention the domain or anything, just that it makes a difference whether it's a web shop (financial risk I guess), more like a forum (spammer / hater risk), or something else.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

#130

Cloudflare is also making TOR quite useless.

CF has nothing to do with that, website operators can choose to blacklist Tor exit nodes regardless of whether they use CF. Many of them do, because Tor is such a massive source of malicious traffic. It sucks, but it's not CF's fault.

It's the default though, no? Most owners don't go through every setting.

It has been a long time since I used CF though, so maybe there is a question in the setup phase or only a few settings.

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