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Re: Every Google result now looks like an ad

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Post by 333c »

Guest0918231 wrote: post #300
333c wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They display both because Google is selling ad space on searches like these, where people search the name of a site. If that site doesn't buy the ad, their competitor will. So sites are being forced to buy ads on their own trademark.

I understand why it's happening and I mentioned it in my comment. However, I just find it incredibly inappropriate that... 1. When I search an exact domain Google will take money from a competitor and show their "advertisement" first. I say that in quotations, because it looks like they're showing a search result, not an advertisement. At this point it feels like companies are paying for their search placement. Pay e…

I 100% agree with you. It is extortion.

Re: Every Google result now looks like an ad

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Post by dmitriid »

sophiebits wrote: post #156
cytzol wrote: post #26

I've been in this A/B test for a couple of months now, so I've had time to adjust, and I still hate it. I've just become so used to seeing the complete URL in green. The complete URL! If you hover over the results, you'll see that they like to take bits like numeric components or the query string out. This is part of Google's attempt to de-prioritise the URL. Their destructive AMP service confusingly shows you Google…

AMP obscuring the URL is a side effect of the current technical implementation, not a goal – and they are working to fix it: https://searchengineland.com/google-announces-signed-exchang...

It's the intended side-effect. For the longest time ever AMP wouldn't even acknowledge it's a problem (oh, we just provide the standard, it's the browsers' fault).

Then Google relented and provided a non-solution in the form of an obscure bar on top of AMP pages (in which the link to the original page is deliberately designed to not look like a link).

The signed exchanges is a bone thrown towards standards committees after all the damage has already been done.

And the "solution" has been directly called by Mozilla harmful, they are not going to implement it. Safari shares Mozilla's concern.

Re: Every Google result now looks like an ad

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Post by acroback »

Did some Program Manager needed a promotion at Google? Looks like it.

I personally dislike such changes, which no one asks for. Either people are just pushing their BS through Google higher ranks or they have no clue how their users actually feel and use their core product.

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Re: Every Google result now looks like an ad

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Post by JohnBooty »

clarry wrote: post #75
Analemma_ wrote: post #13

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I used to work at Bing. If you really want Bing to improve, the best thing you can do is just use it: clicks on search results, plus backs and dwell times, are vital training data. Ideally you could use Bing as your default engine, then fall back to Google whenever there's a search that doesn't yield good results. If you have the time, you can also use the Feedback link on the bottom-right of the page to report bad s…

> I used to work at Bing. If you really want Bing to improve, the best thing you can do is just use it: clicks on search results, plus backs and dwell times, are vital training data. A million flies are attracted to shit. I don't believe this sort of training data will ever become useful if it's in the same pool with the rest of the world. See also: voting with your wallet against the tyranny of the majority of uninf…

See the replies elsewhere. The metrics go beyond simple, naive "click counting."

Specifically they also measure metrics like "regret" - if you went back to the search results and chose something else this indicates it wasn't a useful search result for the query and this counts against it.

In theory this is quite a nice defense against clickbaity, content free results.

Re: Every Google result now looks like an ad

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Post by manmal »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #287
Moru wrote: post #272

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Yes, been using in for several years now. I don't even think of it as duckduckgo any more, it's just search.

The only thing I can’t fully rely on DDG for is on mobile if I search a business on iPhone - I need the address and phone number instantly. DDG still isn’t as good as google at this.

You can always prepend „!g“ before your query in DDG to fall back to Google.

Re: Every Google result now looks like an ad

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Post by ddingus »

LoSboccacc wrote: post #279
kllrnohj wrote: post #222

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> This is part of Google's attempt to de-prioritise the URL. URLs have always been an implementation detail and not a user feature. From the very beginning it was intended that users would follow links, not type in URLs. HTML was built on hiding URLs behind text. Then AOL keywords happened. Then search explosion happened. And short URLs. And QR codes for real-world linking. And bookmarks because yet again typing in U…

> From the very beginning it was intended that users would follow links, not type in URLs. so, about that 4.6 Locators are human transcribable. Users can copy Internet locators from one medium to another (such as voice to paper, or paper to keyboard) without loss or corruption of information. This process is not required to be comfortable. you can't copy a page title into a client and expect it to find the right reso…

Thank you.

Re: Every Google result now looks like an ad

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Post by ddingus »

333c wrote: post #301
Guest0918231 wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I understand why it's happening and I mentioned it in my comment. However, I just find it incredibly inappropriate that... 1. When I search an exact domain Google will take money from a competitor and show their "advertisement" first. I say that in quotations, because it looks like they're showing a search result, not an advertisement. At this point it feels like companies are paying for their search placement. Pay e…

I 100% agree with you. It is extortion.

Google = the new Yelp

Re: Every Google result now looks like an ad

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Post by rifung »

at-fates-hands wrote: post #44
lykr0n wrote: post #3

I wish there was a way to directly help Bing/DuckDuckGo/Yandex improve their search results. I've tried both, and it's just not the same. Google I can bang in cryptic queries like > centos 7 tuned no daemon and get the 3rd link about how to run tuned in a no daemon mode. Bing/DuckDuckGo have the article at around 7th or 8th place, but prefaced by a lot of "while technically not wrong, not what I'm looking for" links.…

> We cannot, as a healthy internet, let Google control so much of the web. It's getting worse too. Back in the day, you could Google something for a manufacturer and include the name of the manufacturer like, "Pioneer 10" Subwoofer" and automatically the first result would be a like to Pioneer's subwoofer page or their main ecommerce site. You type that into Google today? You will get 15 results for AMAZON pages with…

I work at Google (not Search though sorry), opinions are my own.

> When you have the actual manufacturer being buried in the results, we have a major problem.

How do you know though? What if the majority users actually do what you describe in hopes of buying something and thus the shopping results are more relevant for them?

I imagine either there is a bug or this is the case, because I'm sure the links people actually click feed back into the algorithms and the results are modified accordingly.

This being said, it seems like the fact that your results aren't personalized enough to your liking is a shortcoming, assuming you were signed in.

Re: Every Google result now looks like an ad

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Post by josteink »

manmal wrote: post #305
SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only thing I can’t fully rely on DDG for is on mobile if I search a business on iPhone - I need the address and phone number instantly. DDG still isn’t as good as google at this.

You can always prepend „!g“ before your query in DDG to fall back to Google.

No need to prepend. You can bang it at the end and retry your search if it doesn’t work with DDG.
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