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Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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Post by hombre_fatal »

thaumasiotes wrote: post #44
hombre_fatal wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, you can't really talk about downsides of Recaptcha/Cloudflare without also acknowledging the extreme amount of malicious actors and abuse on the internet. We're in a "this is why we can't have nice things" predicament and you have malicious actors to thank for that, yet most people on HN only seem capable of attacking the few affordable solutions to that problem. I'm even down with the theory that Cloudflare is…

> How are you going to talk about the downsides of Recaptcha/Cloudflare without also acknowledging the extreme amount of malicious actors and abuse on the internet? This is acknowledged by the original question >> Also, how would your implementation differ to solve this issue?

To be clear, I agree with their comment and tried to double down on their point that it's a tough nut to crack. I improved my opening line.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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Post by RyanK24 »

dijit wrote: post #8
asdf21 wrote: post #6

Is he using a headless browser? Interesting that he won't give specifics.. Edit - Whoops, read too fast.

I link the exact browser I use. It's called qutebrowser, it's powered by QtWebEngine, which is chromium underneath. Basically Chromium wrapped in python with vim-keybindings.

We're currently investigating. Should have more info soon.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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Post by ppseafield »

mrtksn wrote: post #21
bluetidepro wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...yes, they have and they will again. I don't doubt this, but do you have more info on what you're referring to on "they have"? I'm a bit out of the loop on that.

They blocked Nazis after some attack or something like that. The founder wrote an emotional letter back then, acknowledging how bad is this and how he hates becoming the internet police.

It wasn't some attack. The guy behind the Daily Stormer stated publicly that Cloudflare not shutting off his service means they agree with and support the Daily Stormer's content.

> The tipping point for us making this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology. [0]

That's in a blog post which is a follow up to a leaked memo. [1]

[0] https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/

[1] https://gizmodo.com/cloudflare-ceo-on-terminating-service-to...

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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Post by cronix »

I've been noticing a larger and larger portion of sites in google results have been taken over by something. They all act the same way, and act similar to cloudfares checks. You get a big green dot on the screen first and then a bunch of redirects. I've not read anything about it, but probably 1/15 of my google result clicks end up there. How does google not know these sites have been taken over and keep them on the first page of search results? It's getting tiring because they also hijack your history, so you can't just hit "back" and you lose everything you've been searching through. You can't just click "back" to the results page and go to next result...you have to start search over and remember exact terms you used "that last search"

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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Post by Valmar »

cortesoft wrote: post #30
bluetidepro wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...yes, they have and they will again. I don't doubt this, but do you have more info on what you're referring to on "they have"? I'm a bit out of the loop on that.

I am guessing it is the cutting of service to neo-nazi websites: https://www.wired.com/story/free-speech-issue-cloudflare/ Personally, I don't think free speech requires providing services to neo-nazis, but I get the nuances of the case.

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Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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Post by Liquix »

hwbehrens wrote: post #49
Liquix wrote: post #17

The problem presented by services like ReCaptcha and Cloudflare is a tough nut to crack. They're silently embedded in a huge portion of modern websites, and the average user will never even know about them. But it seems to be way too easy for them to blanket-ban or serve an absurd amount of captchas to powerusers, linux gurus, privacy geeks, or anyone with the wrong combination of browser+addons. And the failures (as…

> Two steps backwards in every conceivable way. The giants gain more invisible power and powerusers suffer decreased productivity/privacy. Not going to happen. I agree with the first two sentences, but disagree with the third. I believe that this state is actually the intended end goal. Previously, for many years, I browsed the web with Javascript disabled. At the time, this had very little impact on my browsing expe…

Great points, I absolutely agree with everything you've said. The 'not going to happen' is less a prediction of the future and more a reflection of my personal stubbornness/frustration regarding the direction things are headed (increased 'opacity' as you put it).

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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Post by dijit »

KaoruAoiShiho wrote: post #14

Cloudflare blocks an enormous number of bad actors for me, so I quite like it.

It wouldn't have a place if it didn't provide value.

I am a normal user though and I (thought I had) absolutely no way of viewing your content now if you use cloudflare.

Turns out using Chrome works...

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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Post by asdf21 »

ppseafield wrote: post #53
mrtksn wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They blocked Nazis after some attack or something like that. The founder wrote an emotional letter back then, acknowledging how bad is this and how he hates becoming the internet police.

It wasn't some attack. The guy behind the Daily Stormer stated publicly that Cloudflare not shutting off his service means they agree with and support the Daily Stormer's content. > The tipping point for us making this decision was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology. [0] That's in a blog post which is a follow up to a leaked memo. [1] [0] https://blog.…

>The guy behind the Daily Stormer stated publicly that Cloudflare not shutting off his service means they agree with and support the Daily Stormer's content.

Yes, because he is a troll... he got exactly the response he wanted, infamy and people still talking about it years later.

Re: Cloudflare is turning off the internet for me

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Post by [deleted] »

tcd wrote: post #45
partiallypro wrote: post #29

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How is it ridiculous? It's called email obfuscation (it can be disabled within Cloudflare) it's to stop spam bots from ripping email addresses from websites and adding them to mailing lists.

Because their regex is crap and if you have @twitterHandle or something with a legitimate "@" you just see the obfuscated version. It's laughably adorable to think it's actually solving a problem or helping in any way, the 'bad actors' it's trying to prevent probably have a work around anyway.

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