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Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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According to the article Boeing has halted production, but this leaves the door open to producing them again in the future after design updates. I predict they'll try to rename the model and fly it again after making changes and certifying. That being said, I never want to fly on a 737 Max or whatever they plan to rebrand it as.

that's fine - but 99% of everybody else will fly a 737 Max for $x less and after 1-3 months of no reported incidents.

How many people even check what kind of equipment they are flying on before booking a ticket? I know a lot of people who are not even vaguely aware which manufacturer the plane they are flying on was made by.

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This will probably be the safest plane to fly on, considering the amount of scrutiny the FAA is now applying.

Would restarting Chernobyl make it the safest NPP considering the amount of scrutiny that it would be put through? Maybe we should look into re-introducing Windows Vista, considering the scrutiny that it would require it must be the safest and most stable OS ever.

Little known fact: Chernobyl was still a functional power plant after the meltdown and the remaining 3 reactors in the building were operated until 91, 96, and 2000.

Ten plants of same design are still operational today.

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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One question in my mind is: what would it take for the old "engineer" faction of Boeing to come to the top again? Or is this unrealistic as the "management/costcutting" faction is just inherently better a "management" politics to ever be dislodged?

Failing this, what is the likelihood a competitor with old-school Boeing values might emerge to compete, in such a capital-heavy industry?

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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According to the article Boeing has halted production, but this leaves the door open to producing them again in the future after design updates. I predict they'll try to rename the model and fly it again after making changes and certifying. That being said, I never want to fly on a 737 Max or whatever they plan to rebrand it as.

Yes, I imagine the rebranding will be as ineffective as Comcast rebranding as Xfinity, where everyone knows they are the same.

It doesn't matter that everyone knows they're the same, rebranding often works.

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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One question in my mind is: what would it take for the old "engineer" faction of Boeing to come to the top again? Or is this unrealistic as the "management/costcutting" faction is just inherently better a "management" politics to ever be dislodged? Failing this, what is the likelihood a competitor with old-school Boeing values might emerge to compete, in such a capital-heavy industry?

I'd love to help a group interested in that if I could mostly work remote, as it's an area I'm skilled in.

It takes years to set up the infrastructure, though. They'd need to build up to it on smaller scale things first

0 to narrow or wide body production line is a huge undertaking.

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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According to the article Boeing has halted production, but this leaves the door open to producing them again in the future after design updates. I predict they'll try to rename the model and fly it again after making changes and certifying. That being said, I never want to fly on a 737 Max or whatever they plan to rebrand it as.

Agree the title should be changed as it’s misleading. CNBC reporting June or July[1].

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/21/boeing-doesnt-expect-regulat...

Re: Boeing has temporarily stopped making 737 Max airplanes

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Windows Me was probably a better example but not everyone will remember it. Anyhow, the point is that scrutinizing a bad architecture doesn't make it any better. Scrutinizing a chicken won't make it an eagle.

I worked at a help desk when Windows ME came out. As I recall, the most salient difference I found between it and XP was that they removed a bunch of tools that I had come to rely on for diagnosis, troubleshooting, and just generally understanding what was going on under the hood. I guess it was ostensibly better, but I never did feel as comfortable working with an ME box. With that in mind, yeah, Windows ME sounds l…

But ME came out before Windows XP..

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I think you’re underestimating how much fear people have of flying. If there’s a plane that is considered “dangerous” then people are going to avoid it. It’s not like airlines losing your luggage which people just put up with.

I have many friends who fly a lot more than me, and I've never heard any of them mention the type of airplane as an issue. Most of them don't know the exact model or even brand of "that plane that was grounded".. I guess people in general rely on the government agencies to do this decision for us..

Most people I know look up the aircraft type on sites like SeatGuru to choose the best seats, or at least to avoid the worst. They also have a preference in aircraft, e.g. couples prefer 2+2 seating over 3+3, or jet over turboprop.

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Yes, I imagine the rebranding will be as ineffective as Comcast rebranding as Xfinity, where everyone knows they are the same.

I don't know what you're talking about, Comcast has had amazing support the last few months in my area. We even had a rep come to our house, and leave a handwritten note on the door when we didn't answer, asking if we had any questions or concerns and to give them a call if there was anything they could do for us. ... I'm sure this has nothing to do with the city fiber to the home buildout that is going on in our nei…

I just got comcast installed in a new home, and the experience was completely different from what I've experienced in the past -- think "apple store", rather than "we're the phone company; we don't have to care". The customer service rep that helped me said they just finished six months of training, and even they were surprised that the system "just worked" when I went in to pick up the gear (my choice to pick it up two hours after calling them rather than waiting for delivery). I won't go into detail about all the other things that "went right" to avoid sounding like a marketing bird, but from what I heard it is a corporate initiative and not just for the fiber buildout.

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Yes, I imagine the rebranding will be as ineffective as Comcast rebranding as Xfinity, where everyone knows they are the same.

It doesn't matter that everyone knows they're the same, rebranding often works.

Rebranding works when it’s paired with significant changes.

Without that people tend to keep using the old name for a long time. People still call the Willis tower the sears tower and that change happened 11 years ago.

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