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Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by _bfhp » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 5:47 PM UTC

padseeker wrote: post #7

Last time I checked Glenn Greenwald was saying that Russian interference had nothing to do with results of the last election and Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate. I have no quibble with the bad candidate line, but it's pretty clear that the Russians we're actively involved trying to get Trump elected. I think some people have legitimate disagreements with Glenn.

That sounds pretty worrying, as I often respect his commentary and journalism. Can you link to or quote where he claimed what you're saying he did about Russian interference?

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by xfalcox » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 5:50 PM UTC

freepor wrote: post #3

Oof. I don’t know why he would stay in Brazil while publishing stuff that embarrassed powerful interests in Brazil. You can do that shit in Canada, in Brazil you’re lucky to not get a bullet.

He has husband and 4 kids in Brazil. Not easy to move when you have roots in a place.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by Supermancho » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 5:50 PM UTC

padseeker wrote: post #8

GavinMcG wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it have to be one or the other?

If you're 'speaking truth to power' only when it suits your already formed opinion, then you're not really speaking truth.

> If you're 'speaking truth to power' only when it suits your already formed opinion, then you're not really speaking truth.

So truth now has another filter. Only what padseeker thinks is fairly presented? /snark

Truth can be communicated many different ways. The interpretation of that truth as non-truth or overvaluing the information or failing to hear out other aspects (because it's presented a specific way) is a failure of the recipient, not the sender. Truth is truth, even if you don't like how it was presented.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 5:50 PM UTC

padseeker wrote: post #9

padseeker wrote: post #7

Last time I checked Glenn Greenwald was saying that Russian interference had nothing to do with results of the last election and Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate. I have no quibble with the bad candidate line, but it's pretty clear that the Russians we're actively involved trying to get Trump elected. I think some people have legitimate disagreements with Glenn.

man the russian bots are awfully quick to downvote this stuff

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Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by padseeker » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 5:51 PM UTC

_bfhp wrote: post #11

padseeker wrote: post #7

Last time I checked Glenn Greenwald was saying that Russian interference had nothing to do with results of the last election and Hillary lost because she was a bad candidate. I have no quibble with the bad candidate line, but it's pretty clear that the Russians we're actively involved trying to get Trump elected. I think some people have legitimate disagreements with Glenn.

That sounds pretty worrying, as I often respect his commentary and journalism. Can you link to or quote where he claimed what you're saying he did about Russian interference?

"Journalist Glenn Greenwald told Hill.TV's "Rising" on Monday that the news media's response to the release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report is "genuinely stunning," accusing the press of continuing to promote the "conspiracy" that President Trump's campaign conspired with Russia in 2016." ...

“The reality is that for three years there has been a conspiracy theory that has dominated our political and media discourse, which is that Donald Trump conspired with Russia over the 2016 election and that he’s an agent of the Russian government along with many of his associates," he continued.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/439989-greenwald-says-medi...

He's been very outspoken that he thinks the Russian interference is bs. His angle seems to be the Democrats aren't liberal enough.

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/09/03/glenn-greenwal...

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by AndrewBissell » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 5:53 PM UTC

padseeker wrote: post #15

_bfhp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds pretty worrying, as I often respect his commentary and journalism. Can you link to or quote where he claimed what you're saying he did about Russian interference?

"Journalist Glenn Greenwald told Hill.TV's "Rising" on Monday that the news media's response to the release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report is "genuinely stunning," accusing the press of continuing to promote the "conspiracy" that President Trump's campaign conspired with Russia in 2016." ... “The reality is that for three years there has been a conspiracy theory that has dominated our political and media…

"Russia did not try to influence the US election" and "Trump did not actively conspire with Russia" are two very different claims.

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by the_absurdist » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 5:53 PM UTC

padseeker wrote: post #8

GavinMcG wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it have to be one or the other?

If you're 'speaking truth to power' only when it suits your already formed opinion, then you're not really speaking truth.

So having bias necessarily makes one's argument untrue?

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 5:54 PM UTC

padseeker wrote: post #15

_bfhp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds pretty worrying, as I often respect his commentary and journalism. Can you link to or quote where he claimed what you're saying he did about Russian interference?

"Journalist Glenn Greenwald told Hill.TV's "Rising" on Monday that the news media's response to the release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report is "genuinely stunning," accusing the press of continuing to promote the "conspiracy" that President Trump's campaign conspired with Russia in 2016." ... “The reality is that for three years there has been a conspiracy theory that has dominated our political and media…

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Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by michaeltoth » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 5:54 PM UTC

padseeker wrote: post #15

_bfhp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds pretty worrying, as I often respect his commentary and journalism. Can you link to or quote where he claimed what you're saying he did about Russian interference?

"Journalist Glenn Greenwald told Hill.TV's "Rising" on Monday that the news media's response to the release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report is "genuinely stunning," accusing the press of continuing to promote the "conspiracy" that President Trump's campaign conspired with Russia in 2016." ... “The reality is that for three years there has been a conspiracy theory that has dominated our political and media…

There's a big difference between saying Trump didn't conspire with the Russians (what Greenwald said" and saying the Russians didn't attempt to interfere. It's astonishing how people conflate these two things

Re: Glenn Greenwald Charged with Cybercrimes in Brazil

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Post by creaghpatr » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 5:55 PM UTC

padseeker wrote: post #15

_bfhp wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That sounds pretty worrying, as I often respect his commentary and journalism. Can you link to or quote where he claimed what you're saying he did about Russian interference?

"Journalist Glenn Greenwald told Hill.TV's "Rising" on Monday that the news media's response to the release of special counsel Robert Mueller's report is "genuinely stunning," accusing the press of continuing to promote the "conspiracy" that President Trump's campaign conspired with Russia in 2016." ... “The reality is that for three years there has been a conspiracy theory that has dominated our political and media…

He's referencing this direct quote from the Mueller report:

"Volume I of the report concludes that the investigation did not find sufficient evidence that the campaign "coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities"

Seems pretty cut and dry.