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Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

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Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

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Reminds me of WhatsApp claiming it had encryption everywhere and then this [0] dropped. Except, in this case, I'm actually surprised. Didn't Apple publicly claim that it wouldn't bow down to any demands from the agencies? [0]: https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3061660/whatsapp-i...

Yeah, there's no way Google would have agreed to that deal to store all WhatsApp data for free unless they were getting full access to it for data mining.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

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post #35

Reminds me of WhatsApp claiming it had encryption everywhere and then this [0] dropped. Except, in this case, I'm actually surprised. Didn't Apple publicly claim that it wouldn't bow down to any demands from the agencies? [0]: https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/3061660/whatsapp-i...

It's mostly marketing bullshit. Apple and Microsoft both tried to build ad businesses, but when they weren't as successful as Google, they turned lemons into lemonade by launching data privacy PR campaigns against Google. Meanwhile, Apple and Microsoft quietly censor their products in China, surrender data to Chinese authorities, and now we find Apple is intentionally leaving iCloud data insecure. Presumably Google w…

Yeah, the current privacy dystopia is obviously just evil apple and microsoft sticking it to noble google.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

#84

But it is nice that you have the option to not backup with iCloud. They are not storing the information whether you like it or not as a lot of companies do.

While Apple doesn't force its users to use iCloud, they also don't provide an alternative way to do full backups of iOS/iPadOS devices over a network. Yes, you can plug an iPhone into a Mac, but that doesn't scale.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

#85
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End-to-end backup encryption is hard. Apple had faced criticism from cryptographers for failing to implement it. https://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2012/04/05/icloud-w... The fact that they started working on the problem then abandoned it after the FBI complained is disappointing, especially to Apple consumers. But all it means is the status quo marches on. Headlines like this vindicate my decision to never pur…

>Headlines like this vindicate my decision to never purchase an Apple product. What else can you buy? Surely not Android...do you live without a smartphone (serious question, not judging)?

"Surely not Android...do you live without a smartphone (serious question, not judging)?"

That's a very judgmental way to ask that question if you're trying to not be judging.

My phone hardware would fall under the Android classification, but I run LineageOS.

I wish I had more options, but we're stuck in a hellish duopoly for the time being.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

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Apple has a list for that: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303 These are end to end: Home data Health data (requires iOS 12 or later) iCloud Keychain (includes all of your saved accounts and passwords) Payment information QuickType Keyboard learned vocabulary (requires iOS 11 or later) Screen Time Siri information Wi-Fi passwords The messages also end to end but the backup contains the private key. The moral of…

> The messages also end to end but the backup contains the private key. Should this even be called E2E? I suppose it is, technically, but clearly not in spirit.

It is if you backup your device to your Mac or PC...or don't back it up at all.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

#87
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Second step: Delete old backups https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204247#backups

Eh, maybe, maybe not. What guarantees are there that the backups actually get deleted? Storage is cheap these days...

If you delete your remote backups, they are likely be deleted, eventually. If you don't delete your remote backups, they won't be deleted.

There's no business case for keeping backups around for Apple, unless they suddenly became an ad company and started mining your backups for personalization data.

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

#89
the great trick these companies and the government played on us was "You will be secure in your papers and effects but not ones located outside your home" so cloud backups were marketed just as the courts decided that they could invade your cloud data. It was a brilliant move towards mass surveillance.

I don't like how this is going...

Re: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's mostly marketing bullshit. Apple and Microsoft both tried to build ad businesses, but when they weren't as successful as Google, they turned lemons into lemonade by launching data privacy PR campaigns against Google. Meanwhile, Apple and Microsoft quietly censor their products in China, surrender data to Chinese authorities, and now we find Apple is intentionally leaving iCloud data insecure. Presumably Google w…

Just a reminder, Apple ceded control of its iCloud management in China to a state-controlled company, in addition began storing its encryption keys in China in order to "comply with local regulations". So whether or not your backups are encrypted is almost a moot point, given that the government can submit a lawful demand for your data at any time.. Apple will store some iCloud encryption keys in China, raising secur…

That’s only for devices where the region is set as China. Why would it be a moot point elsewhere for that reason?
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