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My story as a self-taught AI researcher

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Re: My story as a self-taught AI researcher

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I don't know why people think getting a credential does nothing or that people "copy and paste" the assignments. Sure it may be possible, but what prevents people from copying and pasting public git repos? Either way, this whole focus on "portfolios are everything and credentials are meaningless" spits in the face of all the work I did to get my university education. And it didn't involve "copying assignments". And y…

> I don't know why people think getting a credential does nothing Then actually pay attention to the arguments they're making instead of talking about how offended you are because it goes against your self-interest as a degree holder. It's not as if the people bashing modern education are some kind of elusive minority. I've got a master's degree and I've always though our education system is stupid, and at least in t…

Ridiculous.

Do you have any idea where the majority of massive breakthroughs in technology come from? They come from university.

AI started in university before it was even a thing. Autonomous vehicles were a university funded DARPA project. Nearly everything, even this guys research, is an important derivative of this.

Why do you think this guy chose to publish his paper in a academic journal? It's because it's peer reviewed. The Internet is not peer reviewed, it's public reviewed, as in anyone with an opinion can say whatever they want and get a million other opinions accepting or rejecting that opinion with little evidence. That's essentially what the entirety of Hacker News is. Very rarely do I see a post, including my own, that's properly sourced.

Let me ask you, do you think it's stupid that I paid money, like most people, to build a solar power management system? Do you think it's stupid that I built a memory management system, and text message system from bare bones hardware? Do you think it's stupid that I built my own shell? I did all that in school with equipment that I could only dream of owning with people that spent more time helping me than writing blog posts trying to get famous.

It's funny, I was actually glad this guy got where he wanted. It must be nice to be a genius. And to be honest, I'm probably not as smart as this guy. It's great that he had a lot of drive and achieved greatness. But he doesn't need to imply that I'm some liar because I chose to go to university. I worked incredibly hard to get my degree, spending hours and hours in the lab doing assignments. Hours thinking I was dumb and that I'd never make it. Months trying to find a job.

And all I see is people that did it a non-standard way and then have these warped views of the traditional way despite the decades of people lifted out of poverty because of it. And despite having never even attending a university! I see all these smart people and how they're the only ones that matter. College did a lot for me. And I try and do my best every single day because of it.

Sure, I may not be able to write an ML paper in a year like this guy, but that doesn't mean I'm not going to defend myself when he essentially implies I cheated my way in because I got a degree.

Re: My story as a self-taught AI researcher

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I'm not going to lie, his life story made me jealous. Extremely jealous. He did all the things I wanted to do (speaking in categories, not exact things) and is free to do more. It seems like in some cultures (mine is South Asian) there is a threshold on exploration time. Usually around the age of 28-30 years old (for some even lower than that, I consider myself one of the most fortunate ones). As I approach that numb…

I'm not going to lie, his life story was written and presented with the precise goal in mind to make people feel this way. I stopped reading after half the article because I found it way too self-promotional. So don't feel bad about your life just because someone on the internet pretends to have a more interesting one. Those people are usually just attention seekers and for some reason need the outside validation to…

Yeah, after they mentioned he was made king of the village and then he just left without any other detail, I also stopped reading.

Re: My story as a self-taught AI researcher

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> Absolutely nothing you learn in a college education you can't learn yourself for free on the internet. This is categorically false. Face-to-face time with an expert is incredibly valuable and incredibly expensive outside of an academic setting. In fairness, you have to show some initiative in college to get quality face-to-face time with a professor, but it still takes a lot less motivation than self-studying a com…

> This is categorically false. Face-to-face time... Just because talking to an expert is valuable doesn't mean you can't learn it for free on the internet. Also most undergrad curriculums are teaching old stuff - not exactly cutting edge knowledge requiring face-to-face one-on-one time with an expert in your field. It's not as if the alternative to 4 years of undergrad and $100-250k in tuition + living costs is just…

I don't know what university you went to, but there are such things as bad universities. Just like there's such things as bad Internet courses.

However, the university I went to, could be classified as "No-Name" and I use what I learned in school almost everyday. In fact, I used K-maps to help a senior engineer struggling with a complex logic problem by simplifying it. The CS fundamentals I learn prevent me from writing ugly code and at least give me a sense for what's slow.

I also went to a university with a built in co-op education program where you got credit and paid for being an intern. And let me tell you, most companies treat interns like shit. They sometimes don't even bother having them do anything besides mediocre grunt work. My intern experience was not the greatest and arguably worse than my college experience. Most the time I was left on my own having no idea what to do and spent most of it reading programming books. Whatever "real-world" skills I picked up, like doing actual projects, was moot.

But again, it's mostly relative. So making categorical statements like "universities are useless" and "credentials are for cheaters" doesn't really help and certainly doesn't speak the truth.

Re: My story as a self-taught AI researcher

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What do you put into exploration? Here in Northern Europe you're expected to do most of your traveling in your 20's, but we also have pretty decent vacations - so the solo / friend / backpacking type of traveling gets replaced with more family friendly stuff when you start getting kids. I have lots of friends in their late 20's / early 30's that still travel the world, many times a year. But they don't have kids, and…

It's not just about traveling. It's just one of the components. This guy was a teacher, musician, maker and now DL expert. And it doesn't seem like he is settled on that yet. He is still exploring what he wants to do. Changes his life to match his interests. I lived some of my life like that. Took some non standard paths. But it is getting increasingly hard for me to do this. Not because there aren't opportunities fo…

Not everyone has the privilege of living out a bildungsroman/Jungian heroic journey. You're right, you sound like you have all the assets including the desire, but perhaps it's not the same as it's not occurring during your formative years and without peer support. Thankfully, you seem be self-conscious enough to be living your life for your self, instead of with the aim of peddling a brand.

Re: My story as a self-taught AI researcher

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The thing that disappoints me about the aspirations of being a researcher is that the goal is to get paid to study AI, not solve real-world problems. I would rather build a small company by solving a real problem than work for a big company spinning my wheels.

for a lot of people who end up in research-type jobs, a sense of curiosity is one of their strongest motivators, and they want work that will let them pursue their curiosity. it sounds like you're motivated by something else.

Well yes, I am very curious, just more motivated to solve problems.

Re: My story as a self-taught AI researcher

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Whenever I hear someone say "higher education is useless" I hear it in reference to the "common wisdom" that higher education increases incomes. In which case they are absolutely correct. Higher education is useless in achieving that. Incomes have held stagnant for many decades, even as more and more of the population attain higher levels of scholastic achievement. Mathematically, incomes cannot not remain stagnant i…

Statistically, higher education does increase incomes when factoring in multiple disciplines. The data is pretty clear on this.

A contradiction! Incomes have not increased if incomes are stagnant, and the data is quite clear that incomes are stagnant. How do we resolve this?

Perhaps you are confusing increased income with being higher up on the income ladder? It is true that, statistically, those with higher education do find themselves higher up on the income ladder. They are not making more than they did before, when they did not have higher education, however. Incomes are stagnant.

All we're really observing there is the fact that people range from more to less able, from geniuses who seemingly can do anything to those who have crippling disabilities. At one end of the spectrum you have the people who do well in school and also the workplace due to their natural ability, and at the other, those who struggle in everything they do, be it school or the workplace because of their disabilities. And then everyone else somewhere in between. Statistically, the more able will find themselves higher up on the income ladder, and able to go further in school, thanks to being more able.

Re: My story as a self-taught AI researcher

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What do you put into exploration? Here in Northern Europe you're expected to do most of your traveling in your 20's, but we also have pretty decent vacations - so the solo / friend / backpacking type of traveling gets replaced with more family friendly stuff when you start getting kids. I have lots of friends in their late 20's / early 30's that still travel the world, many times a year. But they don't have kids, and…

It's not just about traveling. It's just one of the components. This guy was a teacher, musician, maker and now DL expert. And it doesn't seem like he is settled on that yet. He is still exploring what he wants to do. Changes his life to match his interests. I lived some of my life like that. Took some non standard paths. But it is getting increasingly hard for me to do this. Not because there aren't opportunities fo…

Let's be real here - and no, I'm trying to put this guy down:

He was hardly a qualified teacher. Lots of young people up here go on voluntourism trips to countries in Africa or Asia to teach a couple of months. If you want to try teaching, you can do so locally; There are lots of options.

Musician, sure, it's fun (I've toured in 4 different countries myself playing in band, though 15 years ago now), but it's hard to do full-time.

DL expert would be to push it, there's a long way between being productive and being an expert.

But I'm gonna be frank with you, doing all those kinds of things is possible here because we have a great welfare system. You can work, save aggressively, and do whatever you want.

The unfortunate fact of life here though, is that a lot of entrepreneurs and indie developers (just to pick a few) are funded by welfare checks.

Re: My story as a self-taught AI researcher

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Statistically, higher education does increase incomes when factoring in multiple disciplines. The data is pretty clear on this.

A contradiction! Incomes have not increased if incomes are stagnant, and the data is quite clear that incomes are stagnant. How do we resolve this? Perhaps you are confusing increased income with being higher up on the income ladder? It is true that, statistically, those with higher education do find themselves higher up on the income ladder. They are not making more than they did before, when they did not have highe…

An increase income range is an increase in income. Most companies do not hire high school students or drop outs for more than minimum wage.

How you can reconcile a higher educated person being higher up the income ladder, but not making more than what they made working minimum wage at a lower education level, eludes me.

What stagnant income means is, they aren't making more relative to their productivity. Meaning salaries have not changed all that much for about 2 - 3 decades through raises despite high productivity.

Re: My story as a self-taught AI researcher

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I'm not going to lie, his life story was written and presented with the precise goal in mind to make people feel this way. I stopped reading after half the article because I found it way too self-promotional. So don't feel bad about your life just because someone on the internet pretends to have a more interesting one. Those people are usually just attention seekers and for some reason need the outside validation to…

I don't want to dismiss somebody else's life experience because it looks too fancy. I have nothing against honest self promotion, it's someone's story and I clicked on the article after reading the headline. I have no indication that this person is pretending or faking it. Also, even without all the quirky things, there are plenty of things to be jealous of. Like all the different things he tried his hands at, the fr…

May we go on a short tangent about a word and its associated feeling?

I submit to you that you don't sound jealous, because it really doesn't fit the rest of what you express; I suggest that you are maybe "envious¹" in the sense that jealousy means envy + depriving the other of what they have ("it should be me and not them", it's a matter of exclusivity, like being jealous of #1 if you finished second, or jealous of the one dating someone you love, or whoever took your job/offer). You don't sound hostile to them, merely wishing more for yourself (which in itself is a positive feeling?)

I really don't know what the word you meant to use in your own language actually meant (I'm French personally, so English is just our medium translation layer). But I'm curious, culturally you know, about these nuances².

I'd love it if you could just introspect that feeling a bit and share what it really feels like, the complex emotion and what it "touches" in you (does it bring despair, or motivation, or resolve, etc). [if it's too personal, I got email, just ask]

Personally, I can feel "aspiring to" or "inspiration from" people who achieved more than me — I don't want to deprive them of anything, I don't wish they failed, nor do I wish to belittle their accomplishments; however I'd love to eat everything they know, steal like the greatest of artists (the good ones merely copy!), that is at best become friends with these people and let them influence me (the true deeper meaning of that book³, if you ask me). And I know, somehow deep down, that the more I'd be rooting for these friends, helping them go further, the more I'd be moving forward/up as well, taken in by the positive storm.

[1]: envy is “a feeling of discontented or resentful longing aroused by someone else's possessions, qualities, or luck.”

[2]: Part of my (personal) research on human nature, motivations, "what makes us do what we do".

[3]: How to win friends and influence people, by Dale Carnegie

Re: My story as a self-taught AI researcher

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Was anyone else really put off by the congratulatory tone of the article, and the #Quirks list on the resume?: https://github.com/emilwallner/Emil-Wallner-LinkedIn-Resume#...

You know, they (read: recruiters) say that if you don't have a normal background, you should have an interesting one. For some reason, if you don't have the same cookie-cutter background as everyone else, you need to have some amazing and convincing story to tell. I think it's good that companies are willing to look into non-trad candidates, that may not have found their "calling", so to speak, until their late 20's…

I guess it can help sound passionate, but the list together doesn't sound interesting -- it sounds like an AI read a bunch of minimalism lifestyle blogs and output "interesting_backstory.txt".

Nothing on the quirks list is actually a quirk. They're interesting things he's done that other people wrote books about, received praise for, and then he followed their newer, well-traveled path.

It's not a non-traditional background. He's not a refugee who managed to learn coding. He's not volunteering at a needle exchange clinic. I think that's what's bothering me; he's pretending to be interesting, and taking the room which could be going to someone else.

Thank you for helping me get to why something felt off. Appreciated, internet stranger.

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