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Robot tanks: On patrol but not allowed to shoot

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Re: Robot tanks: On patrol but not allowed to shoot

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I don't buy this. Given a sufficiently desperate situation, I can't imagine any military with autonomous tanks taking a call to keep the autonomous shooting "disabled" when it would risk actually loosing a war. If anyone had real ethical concerns, they would've not put a gun on a robot to begin with. Once you arm a robot, a software disable is just lipstick on a pig.

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Re: Robot tanks: On patrol but not allowed to shoot

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These articles always focus on man vs. machine but war is a great leveler. What happens for example when there is a proxy war and these devices get used? Lets say the US deploys them somewhere for one side but then surely Russia or China or whoever is supporting the other side will deploy their own versions to counter. Will we then end up with a machine vs. machine scenario?

Re: Robot tanks: On patrol but not allowed to shoot

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I guarantee they can be programmed to carry out missions without sending and receiving signals. Otherwise they can always be detected.

I don’t think you can realistically detect predator - satellite comms

Why? Obviously the satellite can detect the predator.

Re: Robot tanks: On patrol but not allowed to shoot

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guarantee they can be programmed to carry out missions without sending and receiving signals. Otherwise they can always be detected.

I don’t think you can realistically detect predator - satellite comms

Unless they have a specialized directional antenna, it's simple to triangulate where the source of a signal is with drones.

Re: Robot tanks: On patrol but not allowed to shoot

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On one hand, I'm pretty excited that something from the universe of Ghost in the Shell would become reality; on the other hand, it's a slippery slope to some dystopian reality where ethical considerations are completely removed from battle.

> “where ethical considerations are completely removed from battle” I’m surprised you say that. Having tired, squishy humans in a hot, cramped box fearing for their life is not exactly a guarantee of “ethical considerations”. Remotely controlled weaponry removes said humans from the immediate danger. It’s a lot easier to apply ethical considerations, when you can be certain a moment of hesitation won’t cause your dea…

That is assuming that both sides have them. That is not likely unless we see the major superpowers going to war with each other, and I don't see that happening.

Re: Robot tanks: On patrol but not allowed to shoot

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These articles always focus on man vs. machine but war is a great leveler. What happens for example when there is a proxy war and these devices get used? Lets say the US deploys them somewhere for one side but then surely Russia or China or whoever is supporting the other side will deploy their own versions to counter. Will we then end up with a machine vs. machine scenario?

This is basically the plot of Horizon Zero Dawn. [Spoilers] Machine swarm vs machine swarm in human proxy war, but then the humans lose the password and can’t access the swarms and they destroy everything.

Re: Robot tanks: On patrol but not allowed to shoot

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Mandatory "You have 20 seconds to comply." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hzlt7IbTp6M *That demo with generals probably looked like this :)

Never mind the robot, I want the bullet proof glass that never took a dent in that rampage.

Re: Robot tanks: On patrol but not allowed to shoot

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I don't buy this. Given a sufficiently desperate situation, I can't imagine any military with autonomous tanks taking a call to keep the autonomous shooting "disabled" when it would risk actually loosing a war. If anyone had real ethical concerns, they would've not put a gun on a robot to begin with. Once you arm a robot, a software disable is just lipstick on a pig.

I've heard it argued that cruise missiles are robots - at least as much as a Roomba is - and hence that 'killer robots' have been with us for decades.
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