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Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by Gibbon1 » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:28 AM UTC

echelon wrote: post #32

fernly wrote: post #12

Dubious about the "heart attack" diagnosis, at least as the phrase is usually understood. More likely "Sudden Cardiac Arrest"[1]: "In over half of the cases, however, sudden cardiac arrest occurs without prior symptoms." Like, the pump just stops. You'd feel faint and then be unconscious. [1] https://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/guide/sudden-cardiac-dea...

Does this happen in young, healthy individuals? I was reading the Wikipedia article linked in another thread [1], and several of the "sudden" deaths were people in their 40s that appear to have been healthy. Do you feel symptoms, eg. during exercise, that you should listen to so as to inform you to stop whatever activity you're doing? Feeling light-headed, short of breath, blurry vision, etc.? I run and also perform…

I think some people are born with heart defects that can result in sudden cardiac death as a young adult. Also strokes. In half a century I doesn't know of any friends or friends that had that happen. But then again I know of three people that died when the car they were working on fell off the jack.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by chispamed » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:33 AM UTC

echelon wrote: post #32

fernly wrote: post #12

Dubious about the "heart attack" diagnosis, at least as the phrase is usually understood. More likely "Sudden Cardiac Arrest"[1]: "In over half of the cases, however, sudden cardiac arrest occurs without prior symptoms." Like, the pump just stops. You'd feel faint and then be unconscious. [1] https://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/guide/sudden-cardiac-dea...

Does this happen in young, healthy individuals? I was reading the Wikipedia article linked in another thread [1], and several of the "sudden" deaths were people in their 40s that appear to have been healthy. Do you feel symptoms, eg. during exercise, that you should listen to so as to inform you to stop whatever activity you're doing? Feeling light-headed, short of breath, blurry vision, etc.? I run and also perform…

Last year med student here, sudden cardiac arrest commonly occur in young people. Apart from infectious myocarditis which you might notice as fatigue and reduced performance after you’ve suffered a respiratory infection, hypertrophic myocardiopathy and especially hypertrophic obstructive cardiomyopathy is often hereditary and can be mortal without showing prior symptoms. That’s why after a patient’s death you usually examine their broader family if HOCM was the cause as it can be detected via ultrasound and treated pharmacologically or interventionally (injecting alcohol in the obstructive parts or implanting a defibrillator).

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by ganzuul » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:35 AM UTC

adventured wrote: post #38

c3534l wrote: post #11

I've heard a few stories where a person seemed to suddenly acknowledge that they were about to die. Granted, my grandmother repeatedly claimed she was going to die that night and the one time it was true the family lore became that she somehow knew. But to stop what you're doing like that, I wonder what it is they're actually feeling in the moment. Did he know he was going to die? Did he just feel dizzy? What do peop…

When my grandmother died, she sent her husband out to the store, took off her rings (which she never removed), and was dead when he returned. She had been in failing health, was around 90 years old, had recently gone through a rough fight with cancer, a broken leg from a fall, and had just been in a nursing home temporarily. She fought with everyone to be allowed to go home and die, she didn't want to die in the nurs…

Till death do us part. Wow.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by Iv » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:37 AM UTC

thought_alarm wrote: post #10

That's how any sane person would want to go. It's funny[.] how much time and money and effort goes in to keeping aged people alive in conditions that are terrible. Do what you love, and go out on top. [.]appalling

Speak for yourself. I want to live for as long as I have even brief moments of lucidity.

I don't believe in an afterlife, I intend to savor everything I am receiving. One of my biggest fear is that people fail to appreciate that I value more existence than the absence of suffering and may take a very bad decision for me at one point.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by derefr » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:39 AM UTC

codetrotter wrote: post #33

xvector wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot wait until we cure aging so we can die on our own terms. The right to death should be as inalienable as the right to life, and nothing short of the heat death should be allowed to make this decision for a sentient being.

A couple of thoughts: 1. If everyone lives until the end of the universe, what does that mean for the prospect of having children? I would think it would mean that we would need to stop having children at some point, or else we would overcrowd whatever portion of space that we are occupying at some point. Not being allowed to have children would be sad. I don’t have any children yet, but I want to have children in th…

All of these problems are solved by transcending flesh and blood. Why wouldn't a brain-emulation want to live forever, with just as much zest for life and learning after a billion years as today; and what's stopping us from eventually hosting a googolplex such ems (= plenty of room for raising kids) on "only" the computational substrate of a single Sol-powered matrioshka brain?

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by redleader55 » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:39 AM UTC

maxwin wrote: post #34

codetrotter wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A couple of thoughts: 1. If everyone lives until the end of the universe, what does that mean for the prospect of having children? I would think it would mean that we would need to stop having children at some point, or else we would overcrowd whatever portion of space that we are occupying at some point. Not being allowed to have children would be sad. I don’t have any children yet, but I want to have children in th…

I don't understand why whenever there is a discussion about aging research, people always bring out the problem of us living forever or till the end of the universe. I mean how about just double or triple our lifespan which is nothing wrong and we still have no idea how to do that. I think maybe the reason why so many people is against it is because of religion.

There's a very famous series of books by Isaac Asimov that deals with this problem - The Robots. Basically once humans are able to increase their life span, they become reluctant to take any risks and the become stuck in their own "immortality". It's no different than what the GP says. Weather it's until the end of the universe or just a few hundred years, we still become more risk adverse and less capable of change.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by lenkite » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:42 AM UTC

codetrotter wrote: post #33

xvector wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot wait until we cure aging so we can die on our own terms. The right to death should be as inalienable as the right to life, and nothing short of the heat death should be allowed to make this decision for a sentient being.

A couple of thoughts: 1. If everyone lives until the end of the universe, what does that mean for the prospect of having children? I would think it would mean that we would need to stop having children at some point, or else we would overcrowd whatever portion of space that we are occupying at some point. Not being allowed to have children would be sad. I don’t have any children yet, but I want to have children in th…

1. I think its perfectly fine that if you choose to extend your life you also choose to undergo sterilisation. If the state offers this facility, it might put some additional conditions on it - terms of military/community service. There will also be some heavy taxes paid on your wealth and/or a reduced rate of interest.

2. Living till the end of the universe would mean reconstructing your body/brain millions of times. I don't truly see any way around that. There can be 'gaps' of thousands of years between such reconstruction depending on the current resources of human civilisation.

3. It's perfectly acceptable to have both old and new humans in the mix. Natural selection isn't the only factor driving evolution and besides by your logic everyone suffering from medical conditions should be allowed to perish so that only 'fitter' humans reign.

4. The wonder of knowing what human civilisation is like thousands or millions of years from now. Learning hundreds of professions - each to mastery and the limit of human knowledge. An unbroken chain of human history. The ability to gain advice from your ancestors and lend advice to your descendants.

5. Yes, life extension should be a choice. By law, no one should force this on anyone. But again, no one should be forced against it either.

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by emmelaich » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:44 AM UTC

Iv wrote: post #44

thought_alarm wrote: post #10

That's how any sane person would want to go. It's funny[.] how much time and money and effort goes in to keeping aged people alive in conditions that are terrible. Do what you love, and go out on top. [.]appalling

Speak for yourself. I want to live for as long as I have even brief moments of lucidity. I don't believe in an afterlife, I intend to savor everything I am receiving. One of my biggest fear is that people fail to appreciate that I value more existence than the absence of suffering and may take a very bad decision for me at one point.

The idiom is "speak for yourself"

(sorry if I offend)

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by henrygrew » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:44 AM UTC

codetrotter wrote: post #33

xvector wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot wait until we cure aging so we can die on our own terms. The right to death should be as inalienable as the right to life, and nothing short of the heat death should be allowed to make this decision for a sentient being.

A couple of thoughts: 1. If everyone lives until the end of the universe, what does that mean for the prospect of having children? I would think it would mean that we would need to stop having children at some point, or else we would overcrowd whatever portion of space that we are occupying at some point. Not being allowed to have children would be sad. I don’t have any children yet, but I want to have children in th…

What if we gained the technological ability to colonize other planets and make them habitable, it would mean nearly infinite resources and people could still have children, would that not make it worthwhile living forever?

Re: A singer apologized, closed his eyes, dropped his head and died onstage

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Post by bryanrasmussen » Tue, Jan 21, 2020, 6:47 AM UTC

If you don't want to go to washingtonpost (which I don't as I feel their GDPR process is not worth it) and was wondering who the article was about the singer was David Olney, age 71.

on edit: Guardian link https://www.theguardian.com/music/2020/jan/20/david-olney-ac...