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Re: The Internet of Beefs

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Post by codebolt »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #91
Lammy wrote: post #12

This article resonates with me and my experiences online to a startling degree. Specifically: “We are not beefing endlessly because we do not desire peace or because we do not know how to engineer peace. We are beefing because we no longer know who we are, each of us individually, and collectively as a species.” I think we are seeing a genuine lack of strong family, social, and organizational ties among most people,…

Trust is earned. It's not something you can assume. That "assumption of trust" you speak of included an assumption that either you weren't LGBT or you would bury it your entire life for the comfort of the larger community. Matthew 10:34-36 34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against…

> That "assumption of trust" you speak of included an assumption that either you weren't LGBT or you would bury it your entire life for the comfort of the larger community.

The LGBT community comes with it's own shackles. They assume the only natural thing is for someone to structure their whole identity and lives around what might just be a developmental phase of their youth. I'm certainly glad that type of thinking wasn't promoted when I was growing up.

Re: The Internet of Beefs

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Post by leppr »

rob74 wrote: post #27
nostromo wrote: post #3

At some point people will realize that Twitter doesn't matter. The sooner that happens the better. For whatever reason, our elites and media are convinced Twitter is very important . Nothing is worse than getting criticized by the peanut gallery. Twitter can end careers, cancel television shows, bring down elected officials. That power quickly turned from, "complain about lost baggage on Twitter and get an airline ti…

Of course Twitter is irresistible to the media - they don't need to search lengthy interviews and other texts for quotes that sound bad when taken out of context anymore, now they get the quotes pre-sharpened to a dangerous point and delivered to their doorstep...

This hits the nail on the head. Language is very fuzzy: with a long-form article an idea can be refined to a point where an attentive reader will have no doubt about the author's take. With a >280 characters sound bite, the range of possible interpretations is exponentially greater, making uncharitable takeaways easy to come out with.

Twitter doesn't work in an adversarial context.

Re: The Internet of Beefs

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Post by kortilla »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #246
codetrotter wrote: post #62

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I think this way of looking at it is interesting and I don’t see why your comment is currently being downvoted. Sun Tzu wrote about humans acting as a bigger organism when an army work together as one. And with that in mind, and with your comment on top of that, I wonder: We generally agree that self-awareness is a sign of general intelligence, right? So if a group of people see them selves as one, in some sense, and…

> I think this way of looking at it is interesting and I don’t see why your comment is currently being downvoted. Many HN users seem to have a strong knee-jerk reaction against criticism of capitalism, however gentle or thoughtful.

Well perhaps the issue is that the comment had no justification to attach it to capitalism? Capitalism has been around much longer than the decline of these social bonds.

Re: The Internet of Beefs

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Post by DoreenMichele »

codebolt wrote: post #251
DoreenMichele wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trust is earned. It's not something you can assume. That "assumption of trust" you speak of included an assumption that either you weren't LGBT or you would bury it your entire life for the comfort of the larger community. Matthew 10:34-36 34"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn "'a man against his father, a daughter against…

> That "assumption of trust" you speak of included an assumption that either you weren't LGBT or you would bury it your entire life for the comfort of the larger community. The LGBT community comes with it's own shackles. They assume the only natural thing is for someone to structure their whole identity and lives around what might just be a developmental phase of their youth. I'm certainly glad that type of thinking…

I'm not heterosexual. The LGBT community has made it crystal clear they want nothing whatsoever to do with me.

I don't speak for that community. My remark in no way suggests that their agenda is somehow superior to that of the Catholic Church.

Re: The Internet of Beefs

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Post by Noos »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #232
fallous wrote: post #203

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I certainly understand the attraction of a simplification of engagement and for decades I thought that was the true potential of the Internet (via usenet, IRC, later web forums, social networks, etc etc). I'm no longer convinced. The reason I'm no longer convinced is that such simplification carries with it a component of convenience that makes it awfully easy to isolate ourselves from those who may differ from our t…

I certainly understand the attraction of a simplification of engagement Because of the context of what you are replying to, this comes awfully close to implying that women should politely endure routine sexual assault for some reason. I assume that wasn't your intent. But I didn't engage with your comment earlier because I have no idea how to take your point seriously and respect your point of view without inadverten…

A greater point might be not to put too much stock in what "many articles" say. I'm sure "many articles" talking about homelessness would result in a lot more skepticism about the subject from you.

If you just listened to the media on any subject these days, it would be hard to leave the house, yeah. But that's less because life is so dangerous and more because the media loves to use primal fears to engage people to keep watching.

Re: The Internet of Beefs

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Post by codebolt »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #254
codebolt wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That "assumption of trust" you speak of included an assumption that either you weren't LGBT or you would bury it your entire life for the comfort of the larger community. The LGBT community comes with it's own shackles. They assume the only natural thing is for someone to structure their whole identity and lives around what might just be a developmental phase of their youth. I'm certainly glad that type of thinking…

I'm not heterosexual. The LGBT community has made it crystal clear they want nothing whatsoever to do with me. I don't speak for that community. My remark in no way suggests that their agenda is somehow superior to that of the Catholic Church.

> I'm not heterosexual. The LGBT community has made it crystal clear they want nothing whatsoever to do with me.

Care to expand on your experience?

Re: The Internet of Beefs

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Post by [deleted] »

Noos wrote: post #255
DoreenMichele wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I certainly understand the attraction of a simplification of engagement Because of the context of what you are replying to, this comes awfully close to implying that women should politely endure routine sexual assault for some reason. I assume that wasn't your intent. But I didn't engage with your comment earlier because I have no idea how to take your point seriously and respect your point of view without inadverten…

A greater point might be not to put too much stock in what "many articles" say. I'm sure "many articles" talking about homelessness would result in a lot more skepticism about the subject from you. If you just listened to the media on any subject these days, it would be hard to leave the house, yeah. But that's less because life is so dangerous and more because the media loves to use primal fears to engage people to…

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Re: The Internet of Beefs

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Post by DoreenMichele »

codebolt wrote: post #256
DoreenMichele wrote: post #254

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not heterosexual. The LGBT community has made it crystal clear they want nothing whatsoever to do with me. I don't speak for that community. My remark in no way suggests that their agenda is somehow superior to that of the Catholic Church.

> I'm not heterosexual. The LGBT community has made it crystal clear they want nothing whatsoever to do with me. Care to expand on your experience?

Nope.

Re: The Internet of Beefs

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Post by [deleted] »

apatters wrote: post #248
DoreenMichele wrote: post #191

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And, yet, here you are talking with other people all over the world for free. Someone older than me, of the hippie generation, once said to me "There were like three TV channels and they went off the air at 10pm. If you were still awake after that, there was nothing to do but sex and drugs." I strongly suspect the 24/7 availability of free entertainment, live online discussion, etc is a large contributing factor to t…

Why do you think the celibacy rate has risen sharply in young men over the last decade, but remained constant in young women? They both have access to the same entertainment options.

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Re: The Internet of Beefs

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Post by arbitrary_name »

AgentOrange1234 wrote: post #202
ericdykstra wrote: post #188

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Your great-grandparents were right, it's just hard to imagine listening to radio with family being "destructive", when today people have less friends than ever and are literally choosing Netflix, video games, and pornography over having a social life.

You make it sound like a bad thing. Have you met people? Do you really want to spend more of your time with them? :)

Yes. And yes. I'll do anything to hang out with people, especially the ones I like.

You sound like you're making an excuse for a lack of friends by implying there is no one worth being friends with? Perhaps I've inferred too much, I sure hope so...

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