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Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

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Re: Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

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Try a little salt and black pepper on your cantaloupe. It's amazing.

My friend from Guadalajara swears by Tajin seasoning on a lot of stuff, including cantaloupes and watermelon and I think kind of everything...

This is pretty common in SoCal. Any puesto de frutas will give you fruta y chamoy y tajin.

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I carry an apple to work every day with black pepper & salt pouches from Taco Bell, & my american co-workers have asked me why I sprinkle salt on fruit? I explain them we sprinkle salt on apples, banana, guava, pineapple, watermelon, cucumber, tomatoes, onion, oranges and many other things. Black salt is not tangy like lemony, it is just rock salt. Sometimes fruitsalts are salts peppered with ground black pepper and…

guava + black salt is an incredible combo. Sadly, it's very hard to get good guava here in bay area. If anyone knows a good place, I am all ears. I love the the green raw guava more than the white-ish ripe ones.

Any Indian Grocery Store in bay area, in Guava season like summer. Some example chain stores are New India Bazar, India Cash & Carry, and many other single store. I sold these all of this last year as a Cashier, and in cheap as Apples.

Re: Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

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It's a larger crystal, which makes it easier for the salt to pull water out of the watermelon, versus (I'm guessing) just making its way into the watermelon as a dissolved solid. My understanding for the mechanism by which the salt makes the fruit sweeter is by increasing the concentration of sugars in the flesh that's now surrounded by salted water. Kosher salt is named for the application of drawing water from meat…

> My understanding for the mechanism by which the salt makes the fruit sweeter ... Is that correct? AIUI the primary way that salt makes foods taste sweeter is due to the fact it attenuates our sense of "bitter".

This caused me to look it up. I was way off! https://io9.gizmodo.com/theres-a-scientific-reason-why-a-pin...

This makes me a bit skeptical that the type of salt matters much. Perhaps it's simply easier to get the dosage right with Kosher salt?

Re: Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

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Yeah and cucumbers are fruit, birds are dinosaurs, ladybugs are not bugs, peanuts are not nuts, etc. Sometimes I think that scientists should just stick to taxonomic categories or other words that don't conflict with their "common usage" meanings. (and while we all seem to agree that whales aren't fish, they are certainly within the "bony fish" clade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osteichthyes and are a lot closer rel…

No one considers whales to be bony fish. No one.

Well, go to this link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bony_fish

That will redirect from "bony fish" to "Osteichthyes", the name of the scientific category that represents bony fish.

And there is a cladogram on that page. And it includes whales, by virtue of including tetrapods (it shows a picture of a salamander).

It also says on that page "Osteichthyes can be compared to Euteleostomi. In paleontology, the terms are synonymous." And "Euteleostomi presents a cladistic view which includes the terrestrial tetrapods that evolved from lobe-finned fish". And yes, as mentioned, whales are tetrapods.

So, while I didn't say "whales are bony fish", I said "whales are members of the bony fish clade", and I'd say wikipedia agrees with that statement. (to be clear, we humans are also members of the bony fish clade) And if you consider bony fish to be a paraphyletic group, well, then it isn't a clade.

Re: Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

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> My understanding for the mechanism by which the salt makes the fruit sweeter ... Is that correct? AIUI the primary way that salt makes foods taste sweeter is due to the fact it attenuates our sense of "bitter".

This caused me to look it up. I was way off! https://io9.gizmodo.com/theres-a-scientific-reason-why-a-pin... This makes me a bit skeptical that the type of salt matters much. Perhaps it's simply easier to get the dosage right with Kosher salt?

Interesting article.

In my experience, yes, salt type doesn't matter too much except for 1) iodine is sometimes quite noticable 2) very minerally sea salts can add flavors

but the amount does (by weight, not volume). Table salt and kosher salt are both very consistent [1] but I use the latter to avoid iodine

[1] but note the brand, iirc morton's is almost 2x as dense as diamond crystal. when in doubt, weigh.

Re: Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

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A word having multiple definitions is not a pun or wordplay, it’s just a word.

Pun - A play on words, sometimes on different senses of the same word. When we say "a strawberry is not a berry" we're playing on the different meanings of the word berry. It's not a humourous pun, but I would still call it a pun. [1] https://www.thefreedictionary.com/pun

The dictionary is hardly a good resource for vulgar usage.

Re: Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

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And of course the technical definition supersedes the use of the word "berry" in the English language...

I'm curious how the botanical definition came about. I believe "berry" comes from a word that means "grape" (which are berries in the botanical sense). In Middle English, everything that wasn't a berry was an "apple". A banana was an appel of paradis , apple of paradise.

This still lives on; in Swedish for instance, orange is apelsin, which comes from "apple from China". Pomegranate comes from "pomme", French for apple, and "granatum" meaning it has many seeds (grenade actually comes from the fruit, because it looks like one).

Potatoes are "pommes du terre" in French, meaning "earth apples", and French fries are "pommes frites", fried apples.

Or just freedom fries.

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2010: EU subsidizes fisheries. France wanted in on the action. European Commission has officially categorized snails as "inland fish" in order to allow French snail farmers to receive subsidies.

2002: Fruit jams are subsidized in EU. Portugal makes carrot jams. Guess what, carrot is a fruit in EU. Let me cite that for you:

'tomatoes, the edible parts of rhubarb stalks, carrots, sweet potatoes, cucumbers, pumpkins, melons and water-melons are considered to be fruit'

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People who write code for robot compilers (aka programmers) often make this mistake. People who write code for human compilers (aka writers) embrace the subjectivity/variability of those human compilers

You forget one subcategory of writers: lawyers (and their subcategory legislators ). They definitely reject variability of interpretation as much as they can, or at least try their hardest to.

As a law student myself I have to disgree. While in many cases legislators want no variability of interpretetion, in some few cases variability is intended (for bad reasons, mostly).

Lawyers actually like variability of interpretation, since it allows for flexible arguments. This is especially true for common law countries, where law is systematically interpreted by the courts, very often following arguments of lawyers and/or scholars.

You see, language is a social construct and can never be as accurate as mathematics. You can define an interger very rigourously, but you cannot define language that way. Yes, there is grammar and such things. But it‘s very dynamic. And I didn‘t even start with „meaning“. There‘s a very large debate in philosophy about what that even is.

Re: Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

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That strawberries are not true berries becomes fairly obvious once you learn that tomatoes are berries. All berries seem to have fairly watery flesh surrounded by a thin but tough skin. Tomatoes have both, strawberries have neither. Raspberries superficially look like a collection of tiny berries from this perspective. Bananas have a skin, but it's not thin, and their flesh is not watery. That's just my layman's anal…

>All berries seem to have fairly watery flesh surrounded by a thin but tough skin.

The point of the article was that bananas are berries though, and your definition doesn't really describe bananas (maybe kiwis).

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