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Re: Pharo 8.0

#41
post #5

So, still no HiDPI/Retina support. This is probably the most requested feature since at least Pharo 4, and nobody seems to be interested in implementing it.

This is the first thing I noticed when I opened it up. Whoa, fuzzy text, no retina support? I'm guessing this isn't important to the Pharo developers, or at least, it isn't a top priority for one reason or another. I guess I'm a bit of a resolution snob. I find it off putting. But, hey. It's open source.

Re: Pharo 8.0

#42
post #5

So, still no HiDPI/Retina support. This is probably the most requested feature since at least Pharo 4, and nobody seems to be interested in implementing it.

I'm on a retina mac, and it looks like this https://imgur.com/a/iSkHMlJ text rendering-wise. Maybe it's my middle age eyes, but it looks fine to me???

Yeah, to me it's noticeably different. But, like I said elsewhere, I think I might be a resolution snob.

Re: Pharo 8.0

#43
As a long time Ruby developer I frequently hear older developers talking fondly about their experiences working with Smalltalk long ago. When I saw this post, I was curious enough to watch a video just now by a respected Ruby dev (who's admittedly new to Smalltalk and using an older version of Pharo): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOuZyOKa91o. The video is short, but it looks to me like the advantage of developing in this environment is mainly that you can write a test, run it in a kind of debug mode, and when the environment encounters something it doesn't understand it gives you some options for creating something new like an object or a method to solve the problem. This seems kind of cool, but I feel like there must be more to it. Can anyone better explain the selling point, or share a video that highlights how this environment is so cool?

Re: Pharo 8.0

#44
post #2

Pharo always looks cute, but does anyone here use it, even for toy stuff?

It is not Pharo but I work with what is possibly (probably?) the largest group of smalltalk programmers in Norway.

Re: Pharo 8.0

#45
post #35
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The future is already here – it's just not evenly distributed." - William Gibson I did some work in Smalltalk (working on a mod of Scratch 1.4, which was written in Squeak Smalltalk from the turn of the century). Once you got used to it, it was amazing. The environment is lively, and you can debug into everything. The tech is great; it is just that the community of people who know it is relatively small. If you want…

> On the other hand, if you wanted to make a cross-platform desktop application that doesn't look native (which, given the prevalence of Electron, doesn't seem to matter too much to people), this would be an excellent choice. Yeah, as if people are going to install a whole virtual machine to run a chat application... Wait...

Yep, it still amazes me how a lot of the criticisms of Smalltalk have been become the new, cool solution. Smalltalk on Electron would be an interesting answer.

Re: Pharo 8.0

#46
post #12

website down?

> This page ( http://pharo.org/news/pharo8.0-released ) is currently offline. However, because the site uses Cloudflare's Always Online™ technology you can continue to surf a snapshot of the site. Except that I see a big error page. Isn't CloudFlare supposed to help with this? The message on top seems to indicate that, but when I (back in the day) tested with CF on my domain it just proxied every request and failed w…

Who runs the Pharo site? Let's try to diagnose and help them. I don't actually believe in the hackers news hug of death, since many sites survive it just fine (because they take "static content" as seriously as one needs to in order to do so). I see that pharo.org has a "login" link at the bottom. Could the homepage be doing an auth cookie DB lookup on each pageview?

Re: Pharo 8.0

#47

As a long time Ruby developer I frequently hear older developers talking fondly about their experiences working with Smalltalk long ago. When I saw this post, I was curious enough to watch a video just now by a respected Ruby dev (who's admittedly new to Smalltalk and using an older version of Pharo): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOuZyOKa91o . The video is short, but it looks to me like the advantage of developing…

http://pharo.org/features

Re: Pharo 8.0

#48
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> On the other hand, if you wanted to make a cross-platform desktop application that doesn't look native (which, given the prevalence of Electron, doesn't seem to matter too much to people), this would be an excellent choice. Yeah, as if people are going to install a whole virtual machine to run a chat application... Wait...

Yep, it still amazes me how a lot of the criticisms of Smalltalk have been become the new, cool solution. Smalltalk on Electron would be an interesting answer.

That'd be funny.

I'm sure you could do it with https://www.amber-lang.net/ ;-)

Re: Pharo 8.0

#49
post #6

vm doesn't start on Windows - "Unsupported 16-bit Application".

I resolved the issue by navigating to the directory where it downloaded the vm's, deleting the folder and unzipping manually. Seems the launcher corrupts the files when it unzips them.

Re: Pharo 8.0

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also thoroughly enjoy Seaside. There's also https://iliadproject.github.io/ for another approach.

Iliad says Latest commit 0be1977 on Jul 18, 2017. Seaside says last commit 24 August 2019. Any actively maintained web framework that will work with Pharo 8?

The mailing list seems active. I think maybe development actually takes place in one of the older version control methods for Pharo.
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