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Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

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Re: Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

#71
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Is anything actually gained from rigid definitions like this? People clearly use berry in a different way than botanists do.

Agreed, botanists should just make up new words like `fructus`, `berrius` and `vegetablus` to avoid confusion.

I don’t know about that, a child (born or yet unborn) can also be called ‘fructus’ in Latin.

Re: Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

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post #4

Is anything actually gained from rigid definitions like this? People clearly use berry in a different way than botanists do.

knowledge is knowing that tomatoes are fruits, wisdom is to know not to put them in a fruit salad.

I had "seasonal fruit" for dessert tonight in Taiwan, and it was a bowl of small tomatoes. They are also a staple in fruit salad here. Yay for botany!

Re: Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

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post #62

Because this is Hacker News, the discussion would be incomplete without a link to the Supreme Court case Nix v. Hedden[1]. After the Tariff Act of 1883 taxed vegetables (but not fruits), produce seller John Nix — no relation to the package manager — sued to get tomatoes classified as a fruit. The court held that the “common meaning” mattered more than the botanical one: “Botanically speaking, tomatoes are the fruit o…

I eat tomatoes like apples (with salt, I'm not a monster). No kink-shaming please.

Re: Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

#76
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just wordplay, a basic pun, because the same word, "berry", appears in two different contexts. In everyday usage, a strawberry is a berry, but in botany it's not. If you're doing botany, you should probably use the latin term Fragaria instead of strawberry. Edit: If you like this, you'll also find interesting that many nuts (hazlenuts, walnuts, Brazil nuts, pecans, almonds) are not nuts but seeds. One of the few…

A word having multiple definitions is not a pun or wordplay, it’s just a word.

Pun - A play on words, sometimes on different senses of the same word.

When we say "a strawberry is not a berry" we're playing on the different meanings of the word berry. It's not a humourous pun, but I would still call it a pun.

[1] https://www.thefreedictionary.com/pun

Re: Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

#78
post #62

Because this is Hacker News, the discussion would be incomplete without a link to the Supreme Court case Nix v. Hedden[1]. After the Tariff Act of 1883 taxed vegetables (but not fruits), produce seller John Nix — no relation to the package manager — sued to get tomatoes classified as a fruit. The court held that the “common meaning” mattered more than the botanical one: “Botanically speaking, tomatoes are the fruit o…

I eat tomatoes like apples (with salt, I'm not a monster). No kink-shaming please.

You eat apples with salt?!

Then again, this is an actual thing in India, albeit with _black_ salt, which is more tangy than bitter and salty.

Re: Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

#79
post #73

I remember hearing some super cliched but kinda funny saying one time: "Knowledge is knowing that tomatoes are a fruit. Wisdom is knowing that you shouldn't put it in a fruit salad."

That makes me wonder how tomato in a fruit salad would actually taste.

Not bad actually. But if you mix grapes and little tomatoes that look like grapes it can be fun not knowing what you'll taste on each bite.

Re: Bananas Are Berries, Strawberries Aren't

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post #62

Because this is Hacker News, the discussion would be incomplete without a link to the Supreme Court case Nix v. Hedden[1]. After the Tariff Act of 1883 taxed vegetables (but not fruits), produce seller John Nix — no relation to the package manager — sued to get tomatoes classified as a fruit. The court held that the “common meaning” mattered more than the botanical one: “Botanically speaking, tomatoes are the fruit o…

I eat tomatoes like apples (with salt, I'm not a monster). No kink-shaming please.

Yes !! Tomate à la croque au sel as we call'em !! First time I ate a tomato like that in the US, my american friends made so much fun of me "yo, no way brooo ! he's eating a tomato like an apple, da'fu !! Weird frenchman !!".

I still eat my tomatoes like that every so often, it's so good ! Although I think I end up eating quite a bit of salt when I do that which isn't so good...

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