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Re: F1 Engine Power Secrets (2000)

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Post by jcfrei »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #13
eftpotrm wrote: post #10

F1 anorak - that article is years out of date. You can tell that anyway from the tech but when it starts talking about the new ruling for 2001.... Much of the core technology isn't that different, significantly because they first restricted and then effectively froze development a few years ago, but the engines aren't 3l V10s any more but 2.4l V8s. In the time of the 3l V10s, from memory they peaked at over 900bhp. F…

The real shock though is the noise; I've been to one F1 race, sitting at turn 1 in Shanghai. There was a TV helicopter maybe 50 meters over our heads -- and its noise was completely drowned out by the cars' engines.

there's nothing quite like hearing an f1 engine scream.

Re: F1 Engine Power Secrets (2000)

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Post by zandor »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #13
eftpotrm wrote: post #10

F1 anorak - that article is years out of date. You can tell that anyway from the tech but when it starts talking about the new ruling for 2001.... Much of the core technology isn't that different, significantly because they first restricted and then effectively froze development a few years ago, but the engines aren't 3l V10s any more but 2.4l V8s. In the time of the 3l V10s, from memory they peaked at over 900bhp. F…

The real shock though is the noise; I've been to one F1 race, sitting at turn 1 in Shanghai. There was a TV helicopter maybe 50 meters over our heads -- and its noise was completely drowned out by the cars' engines.

I'm sure this Shell and Ferrari commercial doesn't even come close to the real life experience. Still, what a soundtrack it is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6gcwIt5nSM

Re: F1 Engine Power Secrets (2000)

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Post by regomodo »

eftpotrm wrote: post #10

F1 anorak - that article is years out of date. You can tell that anyway from the tech but when it starts talking about the new ruling for 2001.... Much of the core technology isn't that different, significantly because they first restricted and then effectively froze development a few years ago, but the engines aren't 3l V10s any more but 2.4l V8s. In the time of the 3l V10s, from memory they peaked at over 900bhp. F…

How does 600BHP from 1.5L in 1951 sound? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Racing_Motors_V16

Re: F1 Engine Power Secrets (2000)

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Post by shimi »

The magic of F1 cars in the last years was for that although the power output of the engines has decreased and so is the downforce due to regulations lap times have stayed consistent. Its fascinating to see how people like Adrian Newey keep on pushing the envelope to produce brilliant cars with tough regulations.

BTW A short poll how many HN readers are into F1?

Re: F1 Engine Power Secrets (2000)

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Post by mellinwood »

mpakes wrote: post #14
eftpotrm wrote: post #10

F1 anorak - that article is years out of date. You can tell that anyway from the tech but when it starts talking about the new ruling for 2001.... Much of the core technology isn't that different, significantly because they first restricted and then effectively froze development a few years ago, but the engines aren't 3l V10s any more but 2.4l V8s. In the time of the 3l V10s, from memory they peaked at over 900bhp. F…

Regarding the recognizability of the engine technology - it's fascinating to know how much materials science technology has filtered down from F1 into road-going cars. The high-revving (9000RPM) F20C1 Inline-4 from the Honda S2000 has a peak piston speed that matches the highest-revving F1 engines at 25 m/s. The BMW S54B32 Inline-6 from the E46 M3 nearly matches the naturally-aspirated efficiency of F1 engines, at 14…

Here, here. It's a joy to see the technological advancement from the race teams trickle into road cars through the years. BMW's current M3 V8 was once manufactured on the same floor as their F1 V8s.

This is also one of the big losses we every-day drivers will suffer as a result of BMW, Honda, Toyota, etc., abandoning the sport.

Re: F1 Engine Power Secrets (2000)

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Post by ZoFreX »

mellinwood wrote: post #25
mpakes wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding the recognizability of the engine technology - it's fascinating to know how much materials science technology has filtered down from F1 into road-going cars. The high-revving (9000RPM) F20C1 Inline-4 from the Honda S2000 has a peak piston speed that matches the highest-revving F1 engines at 25 m/s. The BMW S54B32 Inline-6 from the E46 M3 nearly matches the naturally-aspirated efficiency of F1 engines, at 14…

Here, here. It's a joy to see the technological advancement from the race teams trickle into road cars through the years. BMW's current M3 V8 was once manufactured on the same floor as their F1 V8s. This is also one of the big losses we every-day drivers will suffer as a result of BMW, Honda, Toyota, etc., abandoning the sport.

It's "hear, hear" by the way :)

Re: F1 Engine Power Secrets (2000)

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Post by dcminter »

CWuestefeld wrote: post #13
eftpotrm wrote: post #10

F1 anorak - that article is years out of date. You can tell that anyway from the tech but when it starts talking about the new ruling for 2001.... Much of the core technology isn't that different, significantly because they first restricted and then effectively froze development a few years ago, but the engines aren't 3l V10s any more but 2.4l V8s. In the time of the 3l V10s, from memory they peaked at over 900bhp. F…

The real shock though is the noise; I've been to one F1 race, sitting at turn 1 in Shanghai. There was a TV helicopter maybe 50 meters over our heads -- and its noise was completely drowned out by the cars' engines.

The thing that impressed me most at an F1 race was that the gear changes - a barely audible deep pop-pop-popping noise on TV - on corners could be physically felt in your chest. Until the second and subsequent cars went past I thought an engine component had catastrophically exploded!

Re: F1 Engine Power Secrets (2000)

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Post by bigiain »

eftpotrm wrote: post #12
CWuestefeld wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with your sadness over the FIA's micromanagement of design. I remember the cars when I was growing up, like the Brabham fan car ( https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Brabham_BT46 ) or the Tyrrell 6-wheeler ( https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Tyrrell_P34 ) We've lost a lot, both in terms of the pure entertainment of seeing the new ideas, and in terms of lost opportunities for improving…

From a pure engineering perspective I absolutely agree. I'm too young to remember the P34 or BT46 in person but the shock of seeing different approaches is definitely sadly missed. In sporting terms though, I (sadly) think they've gone down the right general path. Partly for containing safety as there's no denying that some of the developments have been less than ideally safe to put it delicately - the idea of the co…

Agreed. While I feel curious about what sort of spectacle we'd be seeing if they were still allowed to run 1.5l turbo motors with active suspension and ground effects all at the same time, I understand the need to both keep costs within reasonable bounds, and to keep drivers alive...

Re: F1 Engine Power Secrets (2000)

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Post by brianpan »

frankus wrote: post #28

Here's a cool comparison video of Porsche GT3 versus F1 on the same track/corner: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ex5dhhpSHCw F1 makes some of the fastest street-legal cars look downright slow.

I knew they were about twice as fast, but seeing it like that...holy cow!
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