That the "Herbies" should be in front comes as no surprise to anyone who's read Eli Goldratt's book, "The Race" - A book that transformed modern manufacturing methods toward the end of the 20th century. Of course, it was published way back in the dark ages of the 1980's so there's not a single reference to it here in the HN discussion - kind of a surprising ignorance in a supposedly learned crowd...
Letting slower passengers board airplane first is faster, study finds
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Re: Letting slower passengers board airplane first is faster, study finds
#502Earlier quoted context omitted.
This. I fly Southwest whenever possible; the loading process appears to be more efficient and is certainly less chaotic than other airlines. The flight attendants are consistently the friendliest I've encountered, too.
^ This. The most chaotic part of the whole process is finding your number in the line-up to scan your boarding pass. They also set your expectations on seat-finding as you board, so if the plane is half empty or full up, you'll be able to make a good seat choice. While the other airlines are announcing the 15th class of partner airlines rewards members being able to board and everybody's standing around watching, Sou…
Southwest is AMAZINGLY efficient, and driven to streamline everything. This is the reason they transformed the whole industry by turning planes around in 15 minutes when their competitors were taking hours. If Southwest is doing it, it doesn't mean it's absolutely the most efficient way, but it's probably close, and you can bet they've seriously thought about alternatives.
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#503Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fares (on most airlines) are absolutely not the same throughout an entire section. They vary based on purchase time, seat "quality" (which includes location), extra features such as legroom & recline, spikes in demand, etc.
Sorry, that's complete BS. Maybe you haven't taken a plane in a long time, but fares are by section only. Then, on the website, you get to pick your seat, AFTER you've chosen the section and fare. The price doesn't change unless you move to a more expensive section (like "economy plus"). The legroom and recline is all the same within the same section, except for the exit rows.
Sorry, but nope.
As I said, the price you paid for your seat may and often will vary from that paid by the person next to you by factors including purchase time, seat "quality" (which includes location), extra features such as legroom & recline, spikes in demand, etc.
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#504Earlier quoted context omitted.
Right, I guess a flight nanny is probably easier.
Or you know..... just be a parent.
What's wrong with getting a babysitter? Because that's what this effectively is.
If you're upset about the money wasted on extra tickets, that's a wealth complaint not a childcare complaint.
Re: Letting slower passengers board airplane first is faster, study finds
#505Earlier quoted context omitted.
^ This. The most chaotic part of the whole process is finding your number in the line-up to scan your boarding pass. They also set your expectations on seat-finding as you board, so if the plane is half empty or full up, you'll be able to make a good seat choice. While the other airlines are announcing the 15th class of partner airlines rewards members being able to board and everybody's standing around watching, Sou…
Southwest is AMAZINGLY efficient, and driven to streamline everything . This is the reason they transformed the whole industry by turning planes around in 15 minutes when their competitors were taking hours. If Southwest is doing it, it doesn't mean it's absolutely the most efficient way, but it's probably close, and you can bet they've seriously thought about alternatives.
Speaking of efficiency, Southwest in two airports now has managed to get a 17-minute late-check and an 18-minute late-check on the same plane that I also somehow miraculously got on (and was the last person if I remember correctly). Pure magic.
Re: Letting slower passengers board airplane first is faster, study finds
#506Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, that's complete BS. Maybe you haven't taken a plane in a long time, but fares are by section only. Then, on the website, you get to pick your seat, AFTER you've chosen the section and fare. The price doesn't change unless you move to a more expensive section (like "economy plus"). The legroom and recline is all the same within the same section, except for the exit rows.
Sorry, but nope. As I said, the price you paid for your seat may and often will vary from that paid by the person next to you by factors including purchase time, seat "quality" (which includes location), extra features such as legroom & recline, spikes in demand, etc.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You're trying to claim that two seats next to each other can be in different sections, that one is economy while the one right next to it is First Class, and that's total BS. Planes aren't organized that way. Go take a flight sometime.
Re: Letting slower passengers board airplane first is faster, study finds
#507The fastest boarding and deplaning I have experienced is at Burbank airport. It is done with 2 open doors: front and rear - rather than just 1 door boarding only front to rear. I'm sure it is the same at other small airports as well...
Do you exit to the tarmac or did they have two jetways? Two jetways make sense but you need the plane to come in horizontally. Might be a good idea for new airports.
exit to the tarmac
Re: Letting slower passengers board airplane first is faster, study finds
#508Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry, but nope. As I said, the price you paid for your seat may and often will vary from that paid by the person next to you by factors including purchase time, seat "quality" (which includes location), extra features such as legroom & recline, spikes in demand, etc.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You're trying to claim that two seats next to each other can be in different sections, that one is economy while the one right next to it is First Class, and that's total BS. Planes aren't organized that way. Go take a flight sometime.
No - I'm not claiming they are different sections. That would be stupid.
I'm stating the simple - and well-known - fact that the price paid by the person in 17C (aisle) can be quite different from that paid by the person in 17D (also aisle).
I flew over 150 legs last year. Premier status on three different airlines.
Please stop with the ad hominen attacks and learn something about this market.
Re: Letting slower passengers board airplane first is faster, study finds
#509Earlier quoted context omitted.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You're trying to claim that two seats next to each other can be in different sections, that one is economy while the one right next to it is First Class, and that's total BS. Planes aren't organized that way. Go take a flight sometime.
No - I'm not claiming they are different sections. That would be stupid. I'm stating the simple - and well-known - fact that the price paid by the person in 17C (aisle) can be quite different from that paid by the person in 17D (also aisle). I flew over 150 legs last year. Premier status on three different airlines. Please stop with the ad hominen attacks and learn something about this market.
>fact that the price paid by the person in 17C (aisle) can be quite different from that paid by the person in 17D (also aisle).
The original claim was "We do row-by-row because, generally, people with higher status and/or fares sit closer to the front".
Everything you've written does not support this claim at all. Maybe you should learn something about reading comprehension.
Re: Letting slower passengers board airplane first is faster, study finds
#510Earlier quoted context omitted.
No - I'm not claiming they are different sections. That would be stupid. I'm stating the simple - and well-known - fact that the price paid by the person in 17C (aisle) can be quite different from that paid by the person in 17D (also aisle). I flew over 150 legs last year. Premier status on three different airlines. Please stop with the ad hominen attacks and learn something about this market.
>fact that the price paid by the person in 17C (aisle) can be quite different from that paid by the person in 17D (also aisle). The original claim was "We do row-by-row because, generally, people with higher status and/or fares sit closer to the front". Everything you've written does not support this claim at all. Maybe you should learn something about reading comprehension.
Nice try. You wrote:
"The fares are exactly the same in the entire section of the cabin"
Which is simply put, completely false.
My response was: "The fares (on most airlines) are absolutely not the same throughout an entire section"...
Maybe you should learn something about logic and argumentation.