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Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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They wouldn't have to resort to any shenanigans if parking on campus was free for students.

Why should the campus subsidize the car-owning students? If those students want exclusive use of a public space why not let them pay market rates for it?

If they fired a few useless administrative officials they could lower tuition across the board and offer free parking to students

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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It's a slippery slope when discussing subsidizing. Should students who are Lit majors subsidize expensive research labs? Or sports teams? College costs really can't be a la carte.

Well, you have to draw the line somewhere. Do we pay for all food students eat? The clothes they wear? The houses they live in? The cars they drive? Obviously not... some schools might provide some of those things, but all schools will draw the line somewhere (I don't know of any schools that provide clothing) Why is it anymore of a slippery slope to say "the college won't subsidize student parking" than "the college…

Because one of those is a result of attending. If the college required a uniform, it might be reasonable for them to provide it.

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

#153
post #88

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Building a bigger parking lot requires money... who should pay for that, all students or just students who drive? Why should non-driving students subsidize driving students? Also, the school is not in charge of public transportation.

It's a slippery slope when discussing subsidizing. Should students who are Lit majors subsidize expensive research labs? Or sports teams? College costs really can't be a la carte.

Honestly, I think students should pay different amounts based on the infrastructure they need for their degree. New students pay some flat amount, and once they declare a major, they pay whatever that major costs. A lit major won't require much infrastructure, so they should pay less than an engineering student that needs access to more expensive equipment, but they'll also likely get a lower salary after college. Students should likewise be presented with estimated salaries upon graduation, as well as estimated cost of their education (including books and whatnot).

Colleges that are more prestigious in a given field should be able to command a higher tuition, which helps pay for faculty, buildings, and equipment. But the higher rate needs to be justified by the school on their estimated costs and future earnings reports. Banks could take all of this into account when deciding whether to grant a loan to a student.

And yes, the school shouldn't be forcing students to pay for athletics, theatre, etc. Athletics often pay for themselves through advertising agreements and merch, so I don't see why anything should be taken from tuition for that (and I don't think it is most of the time).

So yes, education expenses should be ala carte as much as possible, and I think this (and ending federally backed student loans) would result in drastically reduced tuition prices on average as students see what value they're really getting.

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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> Obviously, some students thought that fee was ridiculous – just like paying for parking at a university where you’re already paying a hefty tuition fee I hate parking fees as much as the next person, and totally appreciate the creativity of the people who defeated this device. However, how should we handle distributing a limited number of parking spaces when there are more people who want to park than available spa…

It could be like the school my wife graduated from. You had to pay for a parking pass, but the pass didn't guarantee a spot. You were basically paying for the privilege of showing up an hour early to try and get a parking spot. It was a couple hundred dollars a year as well.

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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post #84

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>the same people who park illegally tend to be cavalier about blocking bike lanes and curb cuts, speeding, rolling through crosswalks, etc. this is generalization at the next level. Anecdotally, when I was in university, I saw parking fees for the spot that I paid for in my first semester go from $180 for the semester (13 weeks) to $600/semester in my 4th year. I think parking tends to be a bit of an issue at many un…

We have public records here in DC. Most times I report someone doing something antisocial (e.g. blocking lanes, crosswalks, refusing to yield, etc. - things which actively inconvenience other road users) using hmdapp.io there’s at least a 50% chance that they have multiple unpaid tickets. The highest I’ve seen is over $10k, but others have found drivers over $40k.

Ooh, the app should probably bundle all those things you've observed into one simple metric, a "score" of some kind.

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

#156

> Obviously, some students thought that fee was ridiculous – just like paying for parking at a university where you’re already paying a hefty tuition fee I hate parking fees as much as the next person, and totally appreciate the creativity of the people who defeated this device. However, how should we handle distributing a limited number of parking spaces when there are more people who want to park than available spa…

> However, how should we handle distributing a limited number of parking spaces when there are more people who want to park than available spaces?

By regulating the correct resource: the issue isn't too few parking places, it's too many cars. London basically fixed this: put the fee on the car.

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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> Obviously, some students thought that fee was ridiculous – just like paying for parking at a university where you’re already paying a hefty tuition fee I hate parking fees as much as the next person, and totally appreciate the creativity of the people who defeated this device. However, how should we handle distributing a limited number of parking spaces when there are more people who want to park than available spa…

Why is the University allowed to accept tuition from more students than it has parking spaces? How would a student unable to park be able to attend classes? I can see using parking fees to allocate more desirable parking spaces, but effectively preventing tuition paying students from being able to attend classes is not acceptable (my opinion).

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

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> Obviously, some students thought that fee was ridiculous – just like paying for parking at a university where you’re already paying a hefty tuition fee I hate parking fees as much as the next person, and totally appreciate the creativity of the people who defeated this device. However, how should we handle distributing a limited number of parking spaces when there are more people who want to park than available spa…

I went to a large university located in the middle of nowhere. On any given day, only half of the avaliable spots were filled. A parking pass was $300 a semester IIRC.

When parking isnt a limited resource and students are already paying large amounts of money to attend a rural campus that has poor public transit options what then? For me at the time it really just enforced the idea that college is more of a bussiness then it is actually concerned with education

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

#159

> Obviously, some students thought that fee was ridiculous – just like paying for parking at a university where you’re already paying a hefty tuition fee I hate parking fees as much as the next person, and totally appreciate the creativity of the people who defeated this device. However, how should we handle distributing a limited number of parking spaces when there are more people who want to park than available spa…

Why is the University allowed to accept tuition from more students than it has parking spaces? How would a student unable to park be able to attend classes? I can see using parking fees to allocate more desirable parking spaces, but effectively preventing tuition paying students from being able to attend classes is not acceptable (my opinion).

> How would a student unable to park be able to attend classes?

Except in the (very significant, and needs to be considered) case of disability... By walking between close-together classes, and bicycling or taking buses whenever longer distances need to be covered?

This just sounds so alien to me... If I can't bring my gigantic metal box and engine with me, how am I supposed to get places?

Re: Students defeat new 'Barnacle' parking clamp, skip fines and get free internet

#160
post #65

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How does this “benefit” other students? They're the ones who are being inconvenienced by scofflaws and if it's like most other places quite likely endangered: the same people who park illegally tend to be cavalier about blocking bike lanes and curb cuts, speeding, rolling through crosswalks, etc.

As someone who commuted to college parking illegally is just something you have to do. I had parking fines I had to pay before receiving my diploma even though I made the grades and such. Parking and universities is a mess.

>parking illegally is just something you have to do

driving to college is not something you have to do. it's something you choose to do. parking is a side effect of driving, not a god-given right.

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