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They wouldn't have to resort to any shenanigans if parking on campus was free for students.
Why should the campus subsidize the car-owning students? If those students want exclusive use of a public space why not let them pay market rates for it?
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> Obviously, some students thought that fee was ridiculous – just like paying for parking at a university where you’re already paying a hefty tuition fee I hate parking fees as much as the next person, and totally appreciate the creativity of the people who defeated this device. However, how should we handle distributing a limited number of parking spaces when there are more people who want to park than available spa…
Paying for parking isn't a "fair" way to distribute it. What is meant to happen is that paying for it funds the creation of more parking (ground level parks are converted to multistories etc). So paying is a necessary evil to create and maintain enough of something to go around.
With a monopoly supplier, like here, that doesn't happen as they can just pocket the cash. They may actually cut the supply as charging 20% fewer people twice the price is more money for them.
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This is just spreading the cost of parking to people who don't use it... instead of only people who drive their own cars paying for the parking, now everyone has to. Does the school also pay for public transportation for people who don't drive? Or the extra housing costs of the people who pay extra to live close enough to walk?
This new engineering building is just spreading the cost of classrooms to people who don’t use it. This new fitness building is just spreading the cost of athletics to people who don’t use it. The new wheelchair ramps are just spreading the cost of being handicapped to people who don’t use it. You could apply that logic to all of a college (or life, if you count taxes and insurance) experience. Not everybody is going…
A new engineering building would be an investment, it's expected to increase future returns
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This is just spreading the cost of parking to people who don't use it... instead of only people who drive their own cars paying for the parking, now everyone has to. Does the school also pay for public transportation for people who don't drive? Or the extra housing costs of the people who pay extra to live close enough to walk?
> Does the school also pay for public transportation for people who don't drive? Frequently enough, yes, it does. The University of Michigan runs free shuttles from central campus to north campus. They don't check student IDs either, anyone can ride them.
Your own temporary rental space of ~8*12 feet is a luxury. Riding on a bus or bike is not. The latter options should be accommodated with low or non-existent fees.
> Obviously, some students thought that fee was ridiculous – just like paying for parking at a university where you’re already paying a hefty tuition fee I hate parking fees as much as the next person, and totally appreciate the creativity of the people who defeated this device. However, how should we handle distributing a limited number of parking spaces when there are more people who want to park than available spa…
Mass transportation options coupled with high density buildings should be the way to go. Parking just doesn’t scale. The uni I went to had a decent bus system that had routes along the major apt complexes (private and uni owner). Buses were usually on time, and likely faster than trying to find a parking spot.
Make the parking lots more efficiently packed, expand a bit of parking into grassy areas, build a parking garage instead of spending more on sports, there are lots of solutions here.
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Because schools pretend to charge cash in order to separate casual drivers from those that absolutely need it. However, given the costs of car ownership and tuition, the cost of parking permits are generally (a) not a deterrant to “casual drivers” (people willing to bear the cost without urgent need), (b) disproportionately impactful on those that Do need to drive, (c) basically just milking students. Of course peopl…
Who do you think should pay for the impact of your parking? The land use, pollution, congestion. Someone else, I guess?
> Obviously, some students thought that fee was ridiculous – just like paying for parking at a university where you’re already paying a hefty tuition fee I hate parking fees as much as the next person, and totally appreciate the creativity of the people who defeated this device. However, how should we handle distributing a limited number of parking spaces when there are more people who want to park than available spa…
Maybe instead of hiring more administrators or building a luxury dorm, the university could build a parking garage. It's not like the number of students who need to park is unknown. If you know there's 1000 students who need to park and only 500 parking spots for them, randomly charging half of them exorbitant fines does not seem like a good solution.
How do we encourage the people who can walk or ride a bike to school to do that instead of drive? By charging for parking.
Also, not sure where you get the "charge half of them at random a large fine" bit from... they are fining people who park without buying a permit, not randomly.
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Yes, this way the people who ignore parking fines can keep filling spaces, of which there are now 12 less. Sure, it's a fun example how simple tricks can beat complicated devices, but this only benefits the people who willfully take up valuable parking space that others might want. It's only a matter of time before the university will switch back to the boot, risking more damage to everybody's cars, or to good old to…
Its a college. This is what college students do. "Those dang kids! Stay off my lawn!"